I can't afford 30K for a new battery every few years.
Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
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#612Cars used to weigh half as much and make their own electricity. Repair costs are exponential on EVs compared to normal cars. I can fix a car with a carburetor with analog parts, that I can machine myself. It does not require an electric drive-train and battery to have back up cameras, tablets, even self-driving. EVs are priming us for micro-transactions in our vehicles that we do not actually own. So maybe the ecolog…
I’ve had my EV for 14 months and 17k miles driven now and haven’t had any repair or maintenance costs at all. There are no micro-transactions because they simply don’t require as much maintenance as a combustion vehicle.
> haven’t had any repair or maintenance costs at all
When you have to replace your battery your repair costs will come in one big lump sum. Your tires and suspension system will require more repair due to the weight of your vehicle.
> There are no micro-transactions
The first few generations of EV do not have them, but the future ones will.
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#613I won't buy any car, electric or ICE, that comes with a data connection to someone else's server. That appears to include all EVs.
I've got some bad news for you...
Yep. These luddites and trolls haven't been paying attention.
> eCall was made mandatory in all new cars approved for manufacture within the European Union as of April 2018
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#614I can't afford 30K for a new battery every few years.
That’s not a real concern; it’s propaganda.
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#615I'm surprised nobody is pointing out the chasm. EVs have so far captured the market for early adopters. The range limitations, early teething problems, and just lack of comfort of understanding how they work (is it on, is it not on, how far can I go, etc etc) only appeals to the early adopters. My proof point in this is when I was renting an EV at Hertz a few weeks ago. The couple next to me were trying out an EV for…
I don’t think I’m aware of any EV that doesn’t have a button on the trunk. What model was it?
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#616It’s the same problem it’s always been from my point of view. There’s nowhere to charge. No charger at my apartment, none at my office and according to internet charger maps it’s a 45 minute round trip to go get a charge and then I have to both save some of the range to get there and waste some getting back. Doesn’t appear that anything will change on the next few years to gain a charger at my apartment or work eithe…
Are you in Wyoming?
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#617Dumbass "journalists" with the usual clickbait. Explicitly MORE people are buying EVs: > Sure, sales of EVs keep going up — a record 300,000 cars sold in the US in the third quarter of 2023 were electric The only thing they're seeing is "but the pace of adoption has markedly slowed" -- no shit, have you seen the interest rates and price diffs? And which manufacturer grew the most? Oh that's right the only all-EV one.…
lol, I was just about to read the article to see if they were lying. Thanks for saving me the time.
Growth in 2022 was wildly high. Model launches this year have been slow. Growth shockingly fit with product launches.
But instead we get weird headlines.
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#618The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…
If you had a dining room, maybe you'd throw parties more often than every two years. We use ours every Thanksgiving and Christmas at a minimum. It's also a great place to simply eat dinner without retreating to one's bedroom.
Same with guests; people aren't going to visit you if they have to pay for a hotel, and have to travel from the hotel back to your house for breakfast in the dining room you don't have.
My town doesn't even have a hotel. You'd have to go to the neighboring city. The hotel is on the side of a mountain overlooking the river, which makes it hard to get to. About 20 minutes away is 20 minutes too far when everyone is exhausted and drunk at the end of the party. First to bed gets the spare bedroom, and the last one up crashes on the couch. In a pinch, a cot can be put in the dining room.
A spare bedroom is also an excellent location for a home office. Having extra rooms is capital. It greatly increases the quality of one's life, every day. You might as well say you don't need a kitchen. You don't really need to cook when you can get all your food prepared from outside, in our prosperous society. While technically true (there exist apartments without kitchens), it is an austere standard to live by.
No argument on the pickup truck, though.
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#619Earlier quoted context omitted.
I disagree. The sustainable alternative to EVs is hybrids, not gas guzzlers. Hybrids can be smaller, cheaper, lighter and gentler on the grid. Each of these matter. Heavier cars cause significantly higher road wear [1], particulate pollution [2] and occupy more space. EVs by necessity, are heavier. This is especially evident in America's favorite product categories : SUVs and Trucks. The Ford- F150 lightning is 1.5x…
I'd really like to see a plug-in hybrid pickup where I can do 10-20 miles on a charge without needing the gas engine to even kick on. I get that by the time you put all that infrastructure in, an engineer starts asking why we don't just omit the ICE and add batteries for range... but I think there is an unmet need. That would allow me to do at least 50-70% of my miles all electric. I do quite a lot of truck stuff: 2-…
> I'd really like to see a plug-in hybrid pickup where I can do 10-20 miles on a charge without needing the gas engine to even kick on.
Next year, the 2025 RamCharger
https://www.ramtrucks.com/revolution/ram-1500-ramcharger.htm...
92-kilowatt-hour battery pack paired with a 130-kilowatt generator
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#620We need a ton of infrastructure build-out for EV chargers.
There was funding for EV chargers in one of the recent infrastructure bills, but while the money is there the execution appears lacking. They've barely built anything.