> Getting Americans to ditch driving altogether would be the most effective way to reduce emissions
And build more sidewalks, please. It's ridiculous how bad it is in some places.
Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
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Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#432The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…
Houses are long-term investments. These rooms change their purposes over time
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#433We bought a new primary car last April, it was a toss up between an electric and a petrol/diesel, and we opted for a diesel car in the end. Reasons: range anxiety, and war anxiety. I want a Tesla, but the problem is that an electric car becomes a giant paperweight in an emergency. We have a secondary, small electric car and we use it for short local trips. There’s been more than a few instances where a lapse resulted…
Huh? What emergency? You will always have solar on your roof.
I think in emergencies, gas will run out much quicker than electricity?
And where do you live that you have a mess of public chargers? The quick charger network is excellent where I live (Benelux)
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#434Two problems: Infrastructure. Price. Solve this and nobody will think using ICE cars.
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#435> But an analysis from CarGurus found that EV prices were still 28% higher than gas-vehicle prices on average. To me that is bonkers. When EVs were becoming popular, I was expecting to see super cheap, under $10k vehicles. That was the promise: forget about all the IC complicated gears, alternators, transmission, fuel pumps and imagine getting a motor and batteries, what could be simpler!". But no, we ended up with m…
In India the price gap is far far worse.
Citroen C3 Petrol is 6.5L while the electric version starts from 13L. A straight 100% markup.
Tata Tiago Petrol starts from 6L while the electric version is 9.5L, with a 50% markup.
Despite this almost borderline stupid markup, electric care sales in India is growing 40% YoY.
I would love to buy an electric car, but I don't think we are getting a cheap one anytime soon. I'd rather wait and drive my old beat up car.
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#436I have an aging 2011 Nissan Leaf with a realistic 55 mile range. I charge it at home with a 15a extension cord. I drive it every day. Occasionally I give it a boost charge at charging station. I am in Seattle. I can get to Issaquah, Bainbridge, Everett, Tacoma and back no problem. If I had a _modern_ electric car with a 150 mile range, I could drive to Vancouver BC or Portland instead of taking the train. I don't thi…
I agree, the solution has to start by taxing gas/carbon, not subsidizing EV's
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#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…
The edge cases are the important cases though. Those parties I throw are the highlight of my year. My parents staying here with me is important to me, I wouldn't have it any other way. Yeah I have a desk job but that landscaping work I do in my weekend is one of my favourite hobbies. I refuse to live my life as if these things aren't important to me. I refuse to average my entire life style down to my median day. My…
it's not. The edge cases are something we are allowing ourselves because of fossil-fuel abundance.
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#438The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…
You heat an indoor, that you leave for many hours regularly. Also you put fridge in heated room to make food cold even though outside could be same temperature asi in your fridge.
Etc.
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#439I think the central problem for me boils down to some fairly essential math. When you are fueling up a gasoline vehicle, you are drawing something like 10-20 megawatts of effective power for the duration. And remember, this is pretty much any gas station. Now, what kind of power output can I expect at the highest end supercharging station under the best possible circumstances? The solution seems to be hybrid where yo…
20MW? That’s some impressive charger, the most I’ve ever seen is 0.15MW, and the typical home charger is 0.007MW. A typical large EV would charge in 20 seconds at that rate.
1 gallon of gas is 30 KWh*, so if you fill at 6 gallons per minute**, you get 10.8 Megawatts.
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent
** https://www.quora.com/How-long-does-it-normally-take-you-to-...
Re: Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
#440> But an analysis from CarGurus found that EV prices were still 28% higher than gas-vehicle prices on average. To me that is bonkers. When EVs were becoming popular, I was expecting to see super cheap, under $10k vehicles. That was the promise: forget about all the IC complicated gears, alternators, transmission, fuel pumps and imagine getting a motor and batteries, what could be simpler!". But no, we ended up with m…
Batteries are too expensive for cheap cars. There won't be $1k beater EVs for a _long_ time. Just the raw metals in any decently sized battery is worth 2-3 times that. Even more if the battery cells are still in working condition, it can be repurposed for multiple uses.
Also expensive cars have bigger profit margins - which is the real reason =)