The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
Fewer people are buying electric cars in the US
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#312You can't really expect automakers to like trains and buses. This leaves us with government.
Smaller cars, hybrid are OK. Trains and buses work well hub to hub and inside large cities. They are not OK in the countryside where population is sparse. People know that and it results in people of large cities doing without cars and people in small cities owning at least one per family.
I didn't own a car 2012 to 2020 when I was living in a large city. I did 400 euro of gas per year for two years in a row and ditched my car when I had to pay a larger sum for a repair. Plenty of taxis fit in a 400 euro and we started to have fleets of rental cars that you can pick at the side of the road without reservation and notice. That doesn't work with low population densities.
I don't live in a large city anymore. Actually I live in a very small town and life here is unthinkable and unfeasible without a car.
So, ditching driving could work for most of the urban population but not for everybody in general.
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#313> But an analysis from CarGurus found that EV prices were still 28% higher than gas-vehicle prices on average. To me that is bonkers. When EVs were becoming popular, I was expecting to see super cheap, under $10k vehicles. That was the promise: forget about all the IC complicated gears, alternators, transmission, fuel pumps and imagine getting a motor and batteries, what could be simpler!". But no, we ended up with m…
5-year ownership cost of a Model 3 SR is the same as a Toyota Corolla right now...
Corolla - $32,475
Model 3 - $49,089
https://www.edmunds.com/car-comparisons/?veh1=401921005&veh2...
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#315The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
People focus too much on edge cases when making life decisions, imo. > We need a dining room for when we have parties (has a party once every 2 years; room sits empty 99% of the time) > We need a guest bedroom (guests could stay at the hotel down the street) > I need a pickup truck (driver is an accountant who maybe picks up a couple bags of mulch from Lowes twice a year) I'm glad I live in a prosperous society where…
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#316> But an analysis from CarGurus found that EV prices were still 28% higher than gas-vehicle prices on average. To me that is bonkers. When EVs were becoming popular, I was expecting to see super cheap, under $10k vehicles. That was the promise: forget about all the IC complicated gears, alternators, transmission, fuel pumps and imagine getting a motor and batteries, what could be simpler!". But no, we ended up with m…
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#317The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
The weekend trip is indeed the problem and I rent an ICE car for that. It’s a pain, car rental companies are crap. If I can order a taxi to my house in 10 mins with an app, why do I have to trek across town and queue for 20 mins with a bunch of seemingly random paperwork to do that. Adds an hour to my trip both ways just doing car hire admin. And then there’s the ‘damage’ they invent when you return it.
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#318Dumbass "journalists" with the usual clickbait. Explicitly MORE people are buying EVs: > Sure, sales of EVs keep going up — a record 300,000 cars sold in the US in the third quarter of 2023 were electric The only thing they're seeing is "but the pace of adoption has markedly slowed" -- no shit, have you seen the interest rates and price diffs? And which manufacturer grew the most? Oh that's right the only all-EV one.…
"When automakers pivoted to EVs, they focused on the kinds of cars that were already popular — which meant a flood of big electrified SUVs and trucks. But massive-bodied EVs don't make much sense. Larger EVs require bigger batteries, which require more raw materials to manufacture, which requires producers to beef up their environmentally destructive mining operations. While bigger batteries allow drivers to travel farther between charges, they also make the cars heavier, more dangerous, more expensive, and worse for the planet."
WTF does the author think the ICE alternative is going to do better instead? Just as dangerous, even worse for the planet. You want to put in a paragraph in your EV article about how people are arms-race and status-seeking into bigger cars, fine, blame people for that. Don't blame EV's when this is what people want from autos anyway and of course it's easier for a new market entrant to get its foot in the door with the higher margin products. Every Model Y that isn't sold is a RAV4 guzzling 10,000 gallons of gasoline over its life.
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#319It allows easy access to single person transports (electric scooters, electric scooters with seat, electric scooters with canopy, etc.) on the cheap.
And that is where it will thrive, and is already thriving in Asia.
Using electric for heavy vehicles doesn't make a lot of sense.
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#320The article talks about range concerns as if they're simply incorrect or ill-founded: > Niedermeyer said that while an electric car can meet most people's driving needs, it struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge. Since Americans have been promised a one-to-one substitute for their gas cars, this seems like a failure; an EV should be able to do everything a gas car can. This idea per…
I think the quote you highlighted explicitly mentions that they meet the daily range needs but "struggles with edge cases like road trips because of the need to recharge".
> 93% of trips are less than 30 miles, but the vast majority of drivers take occasional trips that are beyond the range of an electric car. It's no wonder that 73% of drivers have range concerns-- no one is concerned with the EV getting through their commute, they're concerned with the EV getting them to their distant family / weekend trip / vacation home / etc.
Yah, policymakers should push PHEVs harder as an interim strategy. They can be effectively electric cars most of the time but have the versatility to make road trips easier.