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What does any of this have to do with Biden?
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#528 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.
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They're not "using Musk's money" - wages paid to employees are owed to the employees for their work, and are no longer the employer's money in any way, shape or form!
And a lot of that money originally came from taxpayers[1].
[1] https://qz.com/elon-musks-spacex-and-tesla-get-far-more-gove...
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#56Does anyone know where these employees were employed? I’m a worker in a right-to-work state and would love it if this set a precedent for icing out employers from retribution style separations.
This is being enforced by the NLRB which, as far as I understand, only enforces federal labor laws. So it should not matter what state you're in as far as having similar protection goes.
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Even if we ignored all the other reasons and protections: a massive chunk of Space-X's profits come from government contracts and he should absolutely be subject to worker protections as a part of those contracts if my tax dollars are being spent on it. I don't particularly care if he's personally offended that people who work for him think he's a jerk. If his skin is that thin, perhaps he should consider a professio…
I understand that in this case communications about workplace conditions may be specifically protected, but is there some level of insubordination for which you think employees should be allowed to be fired?
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#588 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.
I spent about fifteen minutes poking around. I'm not sure, but I take the impression this is in fact protected organizing, at least according to the NLRB. It seems like this is seen by NLRB as workers expressing concern and advocating for better working conditions (eg free of Musk's distractions), and the company retaliating against them. (To be clear, I have no idea whether the case has merit or not, my only claim is that NLRB seems to think so.)
I took that impression from here.
https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-illegally-fi...
I tried to find the particular case; according to Reuters' initial coverage (linked in the above article) these charges were filed November 2022, but I couldn't find one from that time on the NLRB website.
https://www.nlrb.gov/search/case/Tesla?sort=desc
As a side note - I don't know what a normal number of NLRB cases is for a large corporation, but this seems like a lot?
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#598 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.
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It would be intesting to see how their payout compares to the payouts going to Reuters [1], the BBC [2], the Guardian [3], the ever-so-anticapitalist WSJ [4], and a few dozen other establishments reporting on it as well.
Makes sense that every journalistic establishment out there is being paid off; hedge funds do have deep pockets.
[1] https://www.reuters.com/technology/space/spacex-illegally-fi...
[2] https://www.bbc.com/news/business-67878940.amp
[3] https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/03/spacex-em...
[4] https://www.wsj.com/business/labor-board-backs-fired-spacex-...
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#60> It also said a company vice president had broken the law by criticizing the letter at a meeting with employees a few days after it was circulated Weird, breaking the law for just criticizing a letter written by employees? The judge might overturn this on the basis of free speech.
“Free speech” is used in many ways. But in the US, my understanding (IANAL) is that I can be fired for saying something, and cannot claim “free speech” as a general blanket protection. Exceptions exist if it is specifically a protected form of speech.