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SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Does anyone know where these employees were employed? I’m a worker in a right-to-work state and would love it if this set a precedent for icing out employers from retribution style separations.

You mean at-will (employment) not right-to-work

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You are openly advocating for a different and better set of rules for the rich and powerful.

If they taught Veblen's Theory of the Leisure Class, then people wouldn't be surprised the gp reaction is the exact goal of Leisure Class.

Through Conspicuous Consumption and Conspicuous Leisure where the keyword is being "Conspicuous" with all their over the top activities, what is really being signaled to the entire chimp troupe is - "you want to be like me or hang out with me then do I what I tell you", "who do you want to work for - the king in the palace with cool toys or someone boring?"

Veblen said using such signalling is important for group formation since people are so different and have different interests pushing them all in different directions. So group formation and cohesion requires leaders who are master bullshiters or people who really believe in their stories.

But the danger is when the leader forgets the point of signalling and story telling is group formation and cohesion. Thats when things go off the rails.

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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8 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.

https://www.nlrb.gov/about-nlrb/rights-we-protect/the-law/em...

Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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8 out of 13,000 employees wanted to circulate a letter complaining about Musk's tweets and the Labor board claims they were "illegally" fired over this. Which law specifically requires employers to permit every employee to spam the company with their personal grievances? This isn't union organization or whistleblowing. They could use a little more detail on how and why they believe this firing is illegal.

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Re: SpaceX Illegally Fired Workers Critical of Musk, Federal Agency Says

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Given that Elon Musk ran the Tesla Fremont California factory in a way that was found guilty of this [1]:

As they did after the first trial, these factors again favor a high punitive damages award here. First and most importantly, Tesla's actions were grievously reprehensible. Diaz was subjected to a grossly racist workplace, with racist conduct perpetuated not only by coworkers or subordinates but also-and perhaps especially-by supervisors like Martinez, who called Diaz racist slurs and drew the racist picaninny, and Hurtado, who directed the N-word at Diaz over 30 times and informed Diaz that he wished he could get all “N-words” fired. Cf. Flores, 873 F.3d at 760; Zhang, 339 F.3d at 1043. Reports to authority often went unanswered and when the company responded, it often failed to interview witnesses or review security footage. Worse yet, a supervisor who learned of Diaz's complaints subsequently failed to investigate and was in fact told by Tesla to not personally investigate the complaint. Tr. 3-541:22-542:1, 544:21-545:2, 549:13-550:16. Another supervisor was told to stop investigating before he reached a conclusion, and Diaz and his harasser ended up being reprimanded for the conduct directed at Diaz. See Tr. 2387:10-390:18, 395:21-396:7. Martinez, a Tesla supervisor and the main perpetrator of racist conduct, still works at Tesla, nearly a decade after he forced Diaz to endure repeated cruelty and shame. Not only did the company turn a blind eye to the racism, but the jury also could have interpreted the evidence to show that Tesla knew what it was supposed to do and affirmatively chose to not carry out the proper responses.

It should be no surprise that a CEO running a organization that supports grievously reprehensible racist conduct and actively retaliates against worker complaints of shocking racial discrimination and harassment like swastikas on the walls would also support retaliation against people highlighting their less mustache-twirling evil.

If the swastikas on the walls of your car factory do not get you, firing some people over a letter will not either.

[1] https://casetext.com/case/diaz-v-tesla-inc-7

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