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The EU forcing this garbage is one of the worst things to happen to the web.
The EU didn't actually force cookie banners; they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. The other routes - like only using necessary cookies - were just unacceptable to ad/tracking companies.
But if it was the easiest and cheapest. Their lack of basic foresight is painful and has made the web worse.
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The EU didn't actually force cookie banners; they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. The other routes - like only using necessary cookies - were just unacceptable to ad/tracking companies.
"The EU didn't force cookie banners, they just made it so that companies have to choose between the banners and their revenue, conversion tracking, and business metrics." Whoever's bright idea that forcing an annoying banner on users was going to make any company currently employing tracking think even for a microsecond about not tracking needs to have their head examined. Because you employ tracking you're legally o…
You don't have to choose between those.
Revenue tracking is clearly necessary; `SUM(total) FROM orders` hardly violates the GDPR. Conversion tracking can be done in an anonymized fashion, or via things like coupon codes. Plenty of business metrics left to go on.
The EU correctly decided the balance of things was too far in the corporate direction versus the consumer direction.
The EU forcing this garbage is one of the worst things to happen to the web.
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Disable JavaScript works to block most problems or reader mode.
along with most of functionality, yeah, no
It'll depend somewhat on what you use the internet for I guess, but it doesn't make the internet broken by any means. Because of the work I do I've got a ton of other things disabled too which can make it harder than it would be for most people and it still usually isn't an issue. I also keep a non-hardened browser around for cases where it really is a problem, but I rarely need it.
Given browser headers have existed for a long time, does anyone know why there isn't some protocol of your browser saying "give me all the cookies", "give me only essential cookies" or "give me all cookies except trackibgbones" etc? Instead if tedious and manual banners on every website? I get why companies might not want this (less cookie acceptance) but they didn't want cookies to require consent either and the EU…
This protocol is not needed. The browser can discard third party cookies, I configured it to do so for years (but more recently switched back to an ad-blocker instead, blacklist also works fine in practice). Most things will work just like you expect, a few website sign-in flows will break ... honestly a better outcome than obnoxious cookie banners and popups on every website though.
The EU forcing this garbage is one of the worst things to happen to the web.
The EU didn't actually force cookie banners; they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. The other routes - like only using necessary cookies - were just unacceptable to ad/tracking companies.
Given browser headers have existed for a long time, does anyone know why there isn't some protocol of your browser saying "give me all the cookies", "give me only essential cookies" or "give me all cookies except trackibgbones" etc? Instead if tedious and manual banners on every website? I get why companies might not want this (less cookie acceptance) but they didn't want cookies to require consent either and the EU…
Because the banners were not necessary (companies could just, you know, not set all those tracking cookies!) They were a petulant response to EU legislation, like a little child told to clean his room who goes around stomping their feet, sighting very loudly, slamming drawers, and doing the bare minimum they think will satisfy what they were told to do (ie everything just gets shoved into closet shelves and drawers)…
So it's a calculated response, not a tantrum.
Now, what about our beloved leaders? They enact legislation that can't be enforced. I was able to refuse cookies or auto-delete all the cookies when closing a session, so I didn't give a fuck. Now I'm forced to deal with this nonsense. So this law is worse than useless for me, it's actively damaging.
You're not judged on your intentions, but on your results. And the worst thing is they're not going to relent.
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The EU didn't actually force cookie banners; they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. The other routes - like only using necessary cookies - were just unacceptable to ad/tracking companies.
> they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. But if it was the easiest and cheapest. Their lack of basic foresight is painful and has made the web worse.
Funny, I use the "I still don't care about cookies" extension ( https://github.com/OhMyGuus/I-Still-Dont-Care-About-Cookies ) right now to automatically accept the cookie banners. They're literally one of the most annoying things that has happened in the web's history
I always get downvoted for saying this but I think the cookie banners broke taboos about intrusive and annoying pop-ups in web sites. There was a time the tech and design oriented people could fight against it for the users but once it was required or maybe “socially positive” it got much harder to fight against all the others so you find the blogs now that will interrupt you three times to give your email and such.…
You can provide whatever the user wants to do. Recommendations? Sure. If you want them. The required data collection is then just.... Required. It is tied to this purpose though and can't be used e.g. for ads.
But it is not OK to collect everything about the user so you can charge more for ads or to sell ("exchange") that information. Which is in 99% of cases the reason for these banners.
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> they're not the only route to GDPR compliance. But if it was the easiest and cheapest. Their lack of basic foresight is painful and has made the web worse.
You cannot blame the EU on having many websites making poor product decision and customers being content with crappy websites. Just stop visiting websites that have those banners and write angrily about it too their support. If enough people do the same, the law will work as intended.
I absolutely can blame the EU, prior to these regulations these cookie banners didn't plague the web. Virtually no one's privacy has increased because these regulations but almost everyone's web experience has been made worse because of these regulations.
> If enough people do the same, the law will work as intended.
How many more years do we have to wait for this happen? This HN post exist because FireFox is having to create a brand new feature to handle this garbage on its own.