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Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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For those of you who use Dillo, what sites to you regularly view with it? It seems a lot of the web breaks without Javascript, right?

Not as much as you'd expect. For normal reading and browsing, only stuff behind cloudflare gives any issues (unless you're running a local proxy to handle ssl). "Webapps" obviously don't work, but for everything else it's just a maybe-uglier version of the normal internet. Dillo isn't as good at paywalls as links/elinks for some reason though.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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post #161

For those of you who use Dillo, what sites to you regularly view with it? It seems a lot of the web breaks without Javascript, right?

Not as much as you'd expect. For normal reading and browsing, only stuff behind cloudflare gives any issues (unless you're running a local proxy to handle ssl). "Webapps" obviously don't work, but for everything else it's just a maybe-uglier version of the normal internet. Dillo isn't as good at paywalls as links/elinks for some reason though.

> only stuff behind cloudflare gives any issues (unless you're running a local proxy to handle ssl).

This used to be a problem because Dillo didn't implemented SNI, but should be okay now. If you still have some site that doesn't connect with Dillo from git (there is an updated dillo-git AUR package in Arch Linux), please report it :-)

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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This is gross exageration. A fairly decent low end desktop/laptop CPU with 4GB of RAM is enough to run MS Teams, and I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs.

> I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs. Search on webmail is instantaneous. It was not on MTAs last time I tried. I remember someone always struggling to find old mails with his MTA while gmail would find it quite quickly.

Mutt with cached email it's uber fast. Also, your mail inbox it's yours, forever.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Check out more lightweight web browsers: NetSurf, Pale Moon, K-Meleon on Goanna, Otter Browser, Ultralight, as well as terminal apps: Carbonyl, Browsh, Links (it has a graphical mode too).

When you run a chromium in headless mode it doesn't make the browser any lighter. I think what the OP means is that you need to have a browser with the most important JS and CSS functionality to render modern websites, but without all the junk on top of it. qutebrowser and nyxt would fit the bill better. to be honest I feel like nyxt is really cool, but I'm not sure if choosing a lisp was the right idea.

qutebrowser binary is 424MB (on macOS, at least). Is that considered light?

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Mr Stallman would probably be using wget which is a GNU project, if not downloading directly from Emacs.

Or just use eww from Emacs.

For some reason I started using w3m with emacs integration years ago and am very comfortable with it. I know eww exists, but I think I only tried it once or twice.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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> MS Teams I really do empathize here, after having to use Teams for around 2 years. It's amazingly slow, confusing, buggy (it would crash the tab quite regularly), and just generally a perfect role model for what software shouldn't be[0]. I'm still quite amazed that Microsoft decided this was acceptable. I'm curious how Slack performs; perhaps they're not trying harder because there's no[t much] competition in this…

> > MS Teams > I really do empathize here, after having to use Teams for around 2 years. It's amazingly slow, confusing, buggy (it would crash the tab quite regularly), and just generally a perfect role model for what software shouldn't be[0]. Teams for Linux [1] also struggles with resources. Teams in general is an absolute mess. I would go further and say that most MS products are resource intensive buggy crap. [1]…

That's an unfair characterisation, sometimes they're actively user hostile instead of just poorly designed.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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post #125

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> > MS Teams > I really do empathize here, after having to use Teams for around 2 years. It's amazingly slow, confusing, buggy (it would crash the tab quite regularly), and just generally a perfect role model for what software shouldn't be[0]. Teams for Linux [1] also struggles with resources. Teams in general is an absolute mess. I would go further and say that most MS products are resource intensive buggy crap. [1]…

That's an unfair characterisation, sometimes they're actively user hostile instead of just poorly designed.

One of my favourite ongoing jokes is Word, the program that exists for typing, 'randomly' deletes what you type:

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/word/word-online-web-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/how-t...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/why-d...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/text-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/text-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/when-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/word-...

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/msoffice/forum/all/why-i...

I have no idea how many engineers work on Office Online, but other than security bugs I cannot think of a more important issue to resolve.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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When you run a chromium in headless mode it doesn't make the browser any lighter. I think what the OP means is that you need to have a browser with the most important JS and CSS functionality to render modern websites, but without all the junk on top of it. qutebrowser and nyxt would fit the bill better. to be honest I feel like nyxt is really cool, but I'm not sure if choosing a lisp was the right idea.

qutebrowser binary is 424MB (on macOS, at least). Is that considered light?

Well my (un-googled) Chromium installation takes up 254MB, and I use that as my "big/corporate" browser so I would definitely not consider that light.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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On my Windows 7 throwback computer running an i5 3570K (a damn near top-of-the-line CPU 10 years ago) with iGPU, in Waterfox YouTube stutters when fullscreen in 1080p (even with enhanced-h264ify and hardware video decoding as far as I can tell), both in YouTube and Firefox's pop-out player. Videos play smoothly in Invidious. Enhancer for YouTube™ has a popout/embed button I could test, but it was pulled from addons.m…

To be honest, that could be just be some interaction with Waterfox specifically. It's not the first time I have encountered people having various issues with that firefox fork that other browsers don't encounter.

My test video is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEuHOFgjrAo watched at 1080p60 in full screen. It's a reasonably good test of 60fps smoothness, though synthetic scrolling tests like TestUFO screen recordings might be better strictly speaking.

- Tried creating a new blank Waterfox profile with no changes except uBlock0. It drops frames, and the borders of the video (4:3 pillarboxes on a 16:9 screen) have a blue or green tint after I seek.

- Same result in a new blank Firefox ESR 115.6.0 (last Windows 7 release) profile with uBlock0.

- The YouTube embed player at https://www.youtube.com/embed/lEuHOFgjrAo, on my main Waterfox profile, runs as smoothly as Invidious (no stutters unless I'm interacting with the player UI).

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