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Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by krylon »

anthk wrote: post #127
krylon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often use it to read Wikipedia articles. The layout is all jambled up, but the article content itself is fine. If a web site is low on layout, heavy on text, it usually works okay-ish. A lot of web sites these days, however, are an empty skeleton with a bit of Javascript code to load the content - these do not work in dillo, it has no Javascript engine; to a degree, I consider this a feature, but it makes large par…

Change the user agent to this one at ~/.dillo/dillorc: http_user_agent="Mozilla/5.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)" Then a lot of sites will load a compatible version.

Thank you! I'll give that a try.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by rodarima »

znpy wrote: post #110

After getting my own fair share of nostalgia (anyone remember running dillo on Damn Small Linux? I used to do that because all I had to run Linux in ~2003-2004 was a 486dx) and reading some of the comments, I think that Dillo could be a nice alternative to what Gemini was supposed to be. If we could agree on some kind of "low-tech web" (a subset of html, a subset of css, a subset of javascript -- or maybe no javascri…

> If we could agree on some kind of "low-tech web" (a subset of html, a subset of css, a subset of javascript -- or maybe no javascript at all?) then Dillo could be the champion of this.

There is a "movement"[1] called the small web (smolweb?) which basically does what you are describing without being so restrictive as Gemini. AFAIK Dillo should be able to render most of those features properly.

[1]: https://smolweb.org/guidelines.html

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by anthk »

krylon wrote: post #141
anthk wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Change the user agent to this one at ~/.dillo/dillorc: http_user_agent="Mozilla/5.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)" Then a lot of sites will load a compatible version.

Thank you! I'll give that a try.

Also, not web, but if you try a Gopher browser such as lynx, you can try gopher://magical.fish as a nice entry portal, it has tons of services. Also, gopher://gopherddit.com and gopher://hngopher.com

On Gemini, there's the Lagrange browser, and gemini://gemi.dev with a nice set of services too.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by rodarima »

anthk wrote: post #127
krylon wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I often use it to read Wikipedia articles. The layout is all jambled up, but the article content itself is fine. If a web site is low on layout, heavy on text, it usually works okay-ish. A lot of web sites these days, however, are an empty skeleton with a bit of Javascript code to load the content - these do not work in dillo, it has no Javascript engine; to a degree, I consider this a feature, but it makes large par…

Change the user agent to this one at ~/.dillo/dillorc: http_user_agent="Mozilla/5.0 (PSP (PlayStation Portable); 2.00)" Then a lot of sites will load a compatible version.

The modern web won't stop surprising me :-D

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by rodarima »

gregsadetsky wrote: post #100

Wow, this is so stunning. Thanks a lot Rodrigo, and obviously to the dillo team, Jorge Arellano Cid, etc.!! For others on Macs (I'm on an M1 under macOS 12.7), here's what worked for me: - start by following the mac installation instructions here [0], specifically `brew install` the suggested packages + openssl (I used version 3) - follow the "from git" installation instructions here [1] BUT, before running `./config…

> Wow, this is so stunning. Thanks a lot Rodrigo, and obviously to the dillo team, Jorge Arellano Cid, etc.!!

Thanks!

> follow the "from git" installation instructions here [1] BUT, before running `./configure`, run these export commands [2] to make sure that the openssl files are found

I should add that to the install instructions for macOS, although in the CI it seems to work without the include flags (keep in mind I don't own a Mac, so my testing abilities are limited).

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by rodarima »

bambax wrote: post #129
rodarima wrote: post #14

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Thanks! > What's the minimum compiler you target? I didn't defined any (yet), but shouldn't be too hard to add to the CI. > Any big long term plans? First preventing it from dying and getting removed from distros. Then it depends of how much free time I can dedicate to it, but at least maintaining it. > Fuzzing? I would say first adding some of the other browser tests suites. That should catch a lot of rendering issu…

> targeting a lot of platforms Wouldn't a project such as this one be a perfect candidate for Cosmopolitan? > Cosmopolitan Libc makes C a build-anywhere run-anywhere language, like Java, except it doesn't need an interpreter or virtual machine. Instead, it reconfigures stock GCC and Clang to output a POSIX-approved polyglot format that runs natively on Linux + Mac + Windows + FreeBSD + OpenBSD + NetBSD + BIOS on AMD6…

AFAIK, Cosmopolitan only works well if your program only depends on the libc. Even if you statically compile Dillo and the FLTK, you still would need a graphic Xorg server. For Linux and BSDs may work, but in macOS I think it won't, as for that platform you need the FLTK to link against macOS graphic libraries.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by smallerfish »

mrweasel wrote: post #131
chmod775 wrote: post #111

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> I'm curious how Slack performs My colleagues and myself used Slack for years, were forced to use Teams for about 2 years because of our new parent company, and finally went back to Slack after we collectively quit that shitshow to start a new company. While Slack isn't perfect either, it's miles better.

> While Slack isn't perfect either, it's miles better. We switched from HipChat to Google Chat, which in my mind is pretty bad. Customers are often on Teams, which somehow manages to be MUCH MUCH worse. People kept telling me that Slack is much better than either Google Chat or MS Team, but after using it I can't say that I'd agree. Teams is clearly the worst, Slack is awful in its own way and Google Chat manages to…

Twist is better still than Slack - they force everything into threads, so it becomes a reasonably browsable experience, and therefore possible to maintain async comms with. Slack still wins on integrations, though Twist has a few (including Zapier).

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by andix »

Could you please also build Dillo for WebAssembly, so we can run it inside a Browser, without installing it?

:D

edit: For Windows users, Dillo can just be installed in Ubuntu/WSL with "sudo apt install dillo", and just works. Warning: it's fast!

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by Krssst »

prmoustache wrote: post #128
heads wrote: post #65

The world of low spec hardware really does need faster, lighter browsers. Too many times now have I configured an SBC, RPi, or even a laptop that’s just a few years old and been disappointed that, while everything else is wonderful and fast and smooth looking, it is browser performance that is the one thing holding me back. I am resigned to the fact that some of my requirements really do mean I need a Ryzen 7 with 16…

This is gross exageration. A fairly decent low end desktop/laptop CPU with 4GB of RAM is enough to run MS Teams, and I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs.

> I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs.

Search on webmail is instantaneous. It was not on MTAs last time I tried. I remember someone always struggling to find old mails with his MTA while gmail would find it quite quickly.

Re: Show HN: Resurrecting the Dillo browser

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Post by prmoustache »

Krssst wrote: post #149
prmoustache wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is gross exageration. A fairly decent low end desktop/laptop CPU with 4GB of RAM is enough to run MS Teams, and I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs.

> I don't really understand why one would on purpose use a webmail when there are more practical and efficient MTAs. Search on webmail is instantaneous. It was not on MTAs last time I tried. I remember someone always struggling to find old mails with his MTA while gmail would find it quite quickly.

Search is instantaneous on my gnome evolution MTA.
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