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Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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Seems like a misleading headline. Total energy used is at a record low: https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&... Much of the decline came from gas, presumably because they stopped buying so much from Russia.

It's striking vs the France chart, though I wonder how this reflects electricity import / exports https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&...

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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And by "record low", we mean "nearly six times that of neighboring France." Compare: https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&...

Germany renewable generation capacity is relatively new, France will have to pay the bill to replace their legacy nuclear fleet as it approaches end of life. France is coasting on old capital investments that will eventually come due. Cost of renewables and batteries continues to decline, the cost of nuclear does not.

Pencil out what it would cost to replace all current French nuclear generation at today’s nuclear build costs. It’s astronomical.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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post #7

Seems like a misleading headline. Total energy used is at a record low: https://www.energy-charts.info/charts/energy/chart.htm?l=en&... Much of the decline came from gas, presumably because they stopped buying so much from Russia.

And because of the mild weather in the winter season 2022-2023. Also, private households are saving on energy as much as they can because of high prices.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't a fair comparison as Germany has terrible geography in comparison to the US for energy generation, and certain energy sources like hydropower are very efficient, but not possible to replicate given the environmental impact. Hell, even solar generation in Germany isn't anywhere as good as the US, where it can build solar parks in the south, meanwhile most of Germany has what, 6 hours of daylight during winter…

The US also has got enormous and inexhaustible (all together) coal mines, and oil fields of course. The price of natural gas is negative in some parts of Texas.

Natural gas isn't so terrible for the environment, despite not being renewable.

But coal? Yikes. As you've said it, as gas is so cheap, perhaps use lots of gas and invest in renewables. But go coal-free.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

#25
post #16

Wait, what? Whatever happened to all the coal fired power plants Germany is going to spin up to keep us all warm and toasty?

A huge problem with the German coal phase-out by 2038 ("ideally by 2030") is that the law doesn't prohibit exporting coal. So with every coal plant that's shut down, coal becomes cheaper and will be burned by someone else. We're doomed.

> China permitted more coal power plants last year than any time in the last seven years, according to a new report released this week. It's the equivalent of about two new coal power plants per week. The report by energy data organizations Global Energy Monitor and the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air finds the country quadrupled the amount of new coal power approvals in 2022 compared to 2021.

> That's despite the fact that much of the world is getting off coal, says Flora Champenois, coal research analyst at Global Energy Monitor and one of the co-authors of the report.

> "Everybody else is moving away from coal and China seems to be stepping on the gas," she says. "We saw that China has six times as much plants starting construction as the rest of the world combined."

https://www.npr.org/2023/03/02/1160441919/china-is-building-...

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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Germany is killing it. Since I've moved here I've been following renewable energy numbers and also what the government commits to, and it's incredible how they've managed to meet consistently the solar and wind generation goals. Unfortunately, they haven't been able to meet other goals such as amount of housing built etc. But coming from a third-world country where I wouldn't trust any kind of plans coming from the g…

And that's in a current political situation with three parties in the government that disagree all the time. Imagine what could be done in more stable times!

The huge issue I see is that they fail to implement enough social balancing, which leads to more and more people voting for the extreme right wing party AfD, which will cause a lot of trouble after the next elections.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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Technically true, but still misleading, as the total production has gone down significantly:

2022: 491,8 TWh 2023: 436,8 TWh

So Germany is not replacing fossil fuels with renewables, it just produces less electricity overall. Which might be caused by the fact that electricity is so expensive nowadays, that especially energy-intensive industries are getting less and less economical, so they lower their production or even shut down completely and move elsewhere.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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The document says "generation". I though Germany imported a lot of their electricity. I can't tell if these numbers include the source of the imported power.

Germany had been a net electricity exporter for the last 2 decades.

I'm assuming that's still the case for last year or it would be bigger news. I did see one article fretting that they might turn into a net importer later in the decade.

Re: Coal and fossil fuel use in Germany at a record low for electricity in 2023

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post #27

Technically true, but still misleading, as the total production has gone down significantly: 2022: 491,8 TWh 2023: 436,8 TWh So Germany is not replacing fossil fuels with renewables, it just produces less electricity overall. Which might be caused by the fact that electricity is so expensive nowadays, that especially energy-intensive industries are getting less and less economical, so they lower their production or e…

How much of the production in 2023 were to prop up France's ailing nuclear plants?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/15/business/nuclear-power-fr...

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