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Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by HorizonXP »

newZWhoDis wrote: post #191
HorizonXP wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the “woke-mind-virus” superlative is conducive to the type of conversation we should be having but otherwise I fully agree. Canada does nothing to promote home-grown economic prosperity. What is the value in adding those taxes and fees on a $10 part? Do we honestly believe that type of protectionism is going to create a bunch of jobs domestically? Our GDP has grown mostly due to real estate. I work in t…

I disagree, I think those types of things need to be said and in more places than they currently are. It’s the only way to build momentum to achieve change. Sure, it might be uncomfortable but that’s a part of growth.

To me, it’s like making a clear, well-supported, and coherent argument, but nonchalantly adding curse words. It adds nothing, except alienating those who might otherwise have listened.

It’s harder to do, but I’d rather get to the future with everyone in tow, not just those that think or agree with me.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by HorizonXP »

Spivak wrote: post #206
HorizonXP wrote: post #170

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t think the “woke-mind-virus” superlative is conducive to the type of conversation we should be having but otherwise I fully agree. Canada does nothing to promote home-grown economic prosperity. What is the value in adding those taxes and fees on a $10 part? Do we honestly believe that type of protectionism is going to create a bunch of jobs domestically? Our GDP has grown mostly due to real estate. I work in t…

> Do we honestly believe that type of protectionism is going to create a bunch of jobs domestically It's somewhat ironic saying this in response to someone who because of the high price (he thought) he was going to have to pay he took his business to someone local.

It is, except that’s the short-sighted fallacy of this too.

He had $60. His options were: A) pay someone local to make it B) buy from abroad and save $50 to spend on other items to increase economic prosperity

Either way he gets his part. But without the inflated costs, he could have had more “stuff” and created other jobs.

We don’t employ switchboard operators anymore and our lives are definitely better. To me, protectionism would be like keeping operators employed even in the face of modern switch technology.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by maelito »

woobar wrote: post #240
maelito wrote: post #9

In France, these rules are available as a website, an API, a NPM package, and raw rules in the https://publi.codes language. https://mon-entreprise.urssaf.fr/développeur

Is this a toy? I get this warning on the English version of that website: "Calculations are indicative. They are not a substitute for actual statements from Urssaf, the tax authorities or any other organization." [1] https://mycompanyinfrance.urssaf.fr/developer/iframe?module=...

The code of this relatively recent project wasn't promoted (yet ?) as the internal official closed-source calculator.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by mixdup »

phpisthebest wrote: post #226
mixdup wrote: post #122

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>Are we less competent at making laws today than we were a hundred years ago? Yes, absolutely. I have zero confidence that today we'd have public education, social security, or freedom from religion. I'd be terrified if we had to relitigate the Bill of Rights >In any case, it seems plainly ridiculous on its face that I am to be bound by laws I had no part in voting for. And then the next step is going to be "well I d…

>> zero confidence that today we'd have public education, social security, Neither of which should be federal programs. It has no business being at the federal level. >>or freedom from religion. It was not until the Civil War really the passage of the 14th amendment that the Bill of right even applied at the state level, that is why each state has their own Constitution. In fact federal constitution implicitly did no…

Now who is appealing to dead guys?

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by maelito »

cbarrick wrote: post #43
spydum wrote: post #20

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thats pretty cool, I wonder though what the implication is if there is a bug or package hijacking? Are you expected to cross check the calculations and they are only offered as a convenience, and not authoritative?

The formulas are published in a programming language called M. There is an open source implementation [1]. > There is currently no legal guarantee of any kind about the correctness of the code produced by the Mlang compiler, or by the results produced by the interpreter of Mlang. However, authors have been in contact with DGFiP to validate Mlang, and the system passes all the private DGFiP tests as of Sept. 2022 for…

No it's not. M is a very old programming language created by "Bercy", for the "Impôt sur le Revenu".

Mon-entreprise is coded in publi.codes, a more recent language.

Mon-entreprise is focused on the social contributions (payroll), subject of OP.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by AmericanChopper »

SurgeArrest wrote: post #243

Tax laws as well as other laws, need to have a requirement to be rewritten from scratch and re-approved every 10 years or so, such that no law or regulation is complex enough that an elected official can't describe it in full before voting on it.

It will never happen. Tax law is complex by design, partially because it seeks to do things that are simply impossible, and partially because anybody with enough power to influence changing it benefits from the complex quagmire of ambiguous laws. The complexity allows the IRS to run roughshod over most people and businesses, but the truly powerful can do almost anything they want if they pay for enough advisors and lawyers. The system is in a perfect equilibrium in that respect.

I personally think that if a government fails to enforce a law to a reasonable standard, then the law should be invalidated. Which is probably quite similar to your idea, and addresses the problems created by discretionary enforcement. But that will never happen either.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by woodruffw »

jacobr1 wrote: post #238
woodruffw wrote: post #90

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I don't think so, at least not in the logical sense (an ambiguity means that the terms need to be refined to produce a decision, whereas a contradiction means that no decision exists). (Maybe this distinction is silly, but I think it's important: ambiguity is inevitable, but asserting that the IRS knowingly maintains contradictory rules suggests some kind of sovereign-citizen-adjacent thinking.)

No, I was not proposing such situations are knowingly maintained, explicitly the opposite: there is a whole system to resolve them once discovered. Here is an example I found in the first bulletin I clicked on, but each one is full of examples like this: https://www.irs.gov/irb/2023-50_IRB In this case, you have ambiguity in a definition of "partner assets and liability" in that, it could be read to include factor X…

> No, I was not proposing such situations are knowingly maintained, explicitly the opposite

That was directed at the GGP, not you :-)

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by ska »

jqpabc123 wrote: post #117
koliber wrote: post #58

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The original post is about income tax. While VAT is a tax, it is not an income tax.

The post I responded to asked: Are there any countries with good, reasonable tax systems? VAT is a reasonable alternative to income taxes but neither the question nor my response ever specified "income".

Most places a VAT is not instead of income tax but instead of sales tax. Do you know of anywhere with VAT but no income tax?

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Post by chad_purposecpa »

CPA here. Probably can save you a lot of time, if you're in Canada, register for Wagepoint 2.0 and save a lot of grief. It's inexpensive and connects to QBO so your books are happy. Files and remits to CRA by itself. No need to deconstruct with code.

Ask me more here: www.purposecpa.ca

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