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Why? A good chunk of humanity showed via covid that they are not interested in inconveniencing themselves for potentially reducing overall harm to others.
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> in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage Unfortunately, that's not always the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuatio...
Ok? What you linked to, which is a single paragraph, does not provide any proof for your claim. It says there was some speculation that people retrieving luggage caused delay, but state media and law enforcement are on record as saying there's no evidence that it had any effect, as well as there being a witness saying it had no effect.
GP said they could not imagine anybody even worrying about their language in a severe crash, yet in the case of Aeroflot 1492, people definitely did retrieve theirs:
> [...] prompted by video footage showing passengers leaving the plane with luggage in hand [...]
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> in a real emergency (crash landing, fire visible outside, smoke entering the cabin) survival instinct will kick in and people will just GTFO without worrying about luggage Unfortunately, that's not always the case: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeroflot_Flight_1492#Evacuatio...
Ok? What you linked to, which is a single paragraph, does not provide any proof for your claim. It says there was some speculation that people retrieving luggage caused delay, but state media and law enforcement are on record as saying there's no evidence that it had any effect, as well as there being a witness saying it had no effect.
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> invasion you mean incursion
Intrusion is better suited word than both. Incursion and Invasion have military links, Incursion would be brief and limited in scope, invasion is more full on long term. Both terms imply a subtle but a conscious choice in the crossing of the barrier, while intrusion is more neutral in attributing agency to the action.
> Runway incursion. Any occurrence at an aerodrome involving the incorrect presence of an aircraft, vehicle or person on the protected area of a surface designated for the landing and take-off of aircraft.
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Minor nitpick, but the Japan Coast Guard is not a military (and so the concerned aircraft isn't military). It serves under the Ministry of Land, Infrastructure, Transport and Tourism; unlike the JSDF which serves under the Ministry of Defense.
Curious, what's the rule for USCG and transponders? USCG is part of DHS and considered a military branch (despite not being in DoD alongside the other military branches and having a primarily law-enforcement mission).
I'll speculate: this looks like textbook runway invasion where miscommunication leads to two different aircrafts being allowed on a runway at the same time. Reminds me of LATAM 2213, which led to the very first Airbus 320 neo being written off [1]. Essentially, clearance to enter a runway has to be expressively given and confirmed in non-ubiquitous language ("Flight ABC requesting clearance to enter runway 01"). Yet…
it is crazy to me that all of this still relies on humans giving verbal clearance over radio. Shouldn’t there be a universal standard to communicate clearances to the computer systems of the airplanes and other runway vehicles? And shouldn’t there be a small, well-tested core system that makes sure clearance never conflicts? How on earth does all this still depend on skilled individuals not making a mistake? We got o…
How does the incident/accident rate in these other domains look like, then?
> How on earth does all this still depend on skilled individuals not making a mistake?
Everything safety critical always depends on skilled individuals not making a mistake, as long as there isn't full automation (in which case it depends on the people designing and implementing the automation system).
Until we do have that, mixed automation can actually make things less safe if it isn't done very deliberately and carefully, with people in operations relying on an imperfect system, and system designers on ops to catch complex and edge cases.
A much more informative video is https://youtu.be/6NbVdIoJsHY?t=169 ... you can see the accident aircraft enter the runway then stands there for 40+ seconds before the other aircraft lands on it. It seems like a lot of time during which controllers could have detected the conflict.
Wow, the dash-8 begins to move into the runway at 2:48, and then sits there for the rest of the time. It's really hard to spot this from this video going forwards, but it you got backwards from the crash you can see the lights from the dash-8 and work out when it got onto the runway. Maybe the coast guard pilot thought he had permission to line up, but not to take off? Anyways, it's also pretty easy to see that it wo…
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Members of my family require medication (epipen, some various pills), and I keep that along with a flashlight (in case I need to administer in pitch black) in a small haversack. I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. I do feel conflicted since the no luggage mantra has been drilled in for decades.
If the medical condition is so dire that medicine must be kept on hand then it should be in your pockets, not tucked away in luggage. What is the probability of being stung by a bee or eating a bag of nuts between your seat, the slide, and the ambulances rushing to the scene to rescue people? Otherwise by this logic, just about everyone has a reason to self-justify needing to get into their luggage in an emergency ev…
The bag I have is about the size of two croissants — I keep it under seat in front of me or in my lap.
But this topic has inspired me to improve my process, so I would like to find a money belt or shoulder holster style bag to carry meds and epi while traveling. Basically body hugging.
Any help in finding something that isn’t from Temu, or some random drop shipper? I found one eagle creek bag but would prefer a shoulder style?
For the ATC, see: * https://archive.liveatc.net/rjtt/RJTT-Twr-TCA-Jan-02-2024-08... * Via: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35868205-post57.html 13:13 JL516 continue approach. 14:53 landing clearance. 15:01 readback. 15:13 Japan Coast Guard JA772A taxi instructions. 17:35 fire reported on 34R. * https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/35868237-post67.html The recording quality isn't very good, perhaps because of the location…
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Intrusion is better suited word than both. Incursion and Invasion have military links, Incursion would be brief and limited in scope, invasion is more full on long term. Both terms imply a subtle but a conscious choice in the crossing of the barrier, while intrusion is more neutral in attributing agency to the action.
Runway incursion is a technical term defined by the ICAO: > Runway incursion. Any occurrence at an aerodrome involving the incorrect presence of an aircraft, vehicle or person on the protected area of a surface designated for the landing and take-off of aircraft.
Ambiguity while correcting someone else is not ideal.