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A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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> The phrase "out of sight, out of mind" doesn't seem to do it justice.

Which works the opposite way as well: people not setting aside enough, which would probably happen if it was not pre-deducted. Just ask then-musician / now-actor Will Smith:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_WoOYybCro

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qCZfS_I-zM

* https://www.thethings.com/will-smith-28-million-irs-tax-debt...

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Being someone who has some experience with tax law, the cycle of tax complexity goes like this: 1. Tax law is passed. 2. Really smart CPAs and Tax Lawyers figure out ways to legally avoid paying taxes. 3. Tax people issue regulations intended to close those loopholes. 4. Administrations change and they want to win votes and tweak the economy so they lower some taxes and add tax breaks. 5. New administration comes in…

None of this complexity is from trying to plug tax loopholes. Most of it is from politicians wanting to name things.

For example, for decades Canada has had a "personal amount" tax credit -- for arcane reasons, rather than saying "the first $X of income isn't taxed", the lowest tax bracket starts at $0 but there's a non-refundable credit equal to the lowest tax rate times $X. Then a politician came along and said "we should increase the personal amount so that people can earn more money without paying taxes... but we don't want to decrease taxes on the top 1%". So now we have a "personal amount" which depends on your income. Similarly, in BC we have the "BC Tax Reduction" which is an extra tax credit given to people with incomes between (roughly) $22k and $36k.

Both of those examples could have simply been implemented as tax brackets but voters get far more excited about a "Tax Reduction" than they do about a new tax bracket.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Im in the same boat - would you mind explaining to us every other Friday folk why the employer match isn’t free money?

I'm wondering the same thing. The money has been going into my 401k for decades. When I start using it after retirement when I am 70 or so years old, is there some gotcha I'm not aware of?

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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A 401(k) match _is_ free money though. When you leave the company, you can just cash out the account - the penalty will still probably be less than the match gave you, so you come out ahead. Of course, it's best to just let it sit in retirement accounts until you can take a qualified distribution.

Only in the sense that you can optionally not accept it. But it still is part of your compensation, as is in effect, even the "employer-paid" portions of healthcare and other benefits. From the perspective of the employer they are part of your costs and the direct payments reflect that, likewise you would need to pay those costs yourself if you were self-employed.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, Nova Scotia, Yukon, and Ontario each only add a handful of extra nodes. I just didn't want to bother with those because I'm in BC. Quebec is a different matter; far more complicated to calculate payroll deductions for there.

And if the crazy proposal from the UCP in Alberta to divorce from the CPP and have their own pension system (like Quebec) is successful, it will get even crazier. Imagine the complications of moving back and forth between provinces. Or seasonal work, etc.

There's several pages of formulas for dealing with people moving between CPP and QPP. So glad I don't have to deal with those.

Re: A Canadian payroll dependency chart

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Are there any countries with good, reasonable tax systems? I'm only familiar with Canada and the USA, both of which are a bit of a mess, though seemingly in different ways. I'd be very interested in hearing what the process is like in other places.

Switzerland tax law is pretty straightforward and the cantonal (local government) tax authorities are known for being very helpful in explaining things to taxpayers in doubt, an experience I had more than once.
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