Don't clean stuff... Just hide the dirt!
Or replace the material with one that is easier to clean, which is exactly what these vinyl stickers do.
Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
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Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
What is hostile about the architecture here? The armrests?
If the (quite useless) armrests weren't there to prevent the homeless from sleeping on them, people wouldn't be sitting in the exact same spot every time, causing a light smear instead of defined person-like shaped on the wall.
This isn't the United States, other countries don't tolerate vagrants sleeping on public transit.
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some of the small, outer, (above ground) tube stations I use have periods where staff leave the gates open and leave the public areas. They even do this during busy periods. It is easy to get onto the tube network at these places. There's also stations that share common areas with overground trains that don't even have gates (West Ruislip, for example). And then people also squeeze through the pram/wheelchair gates o…
Thank you for verifying that what I'm saying is not that unreasonable. I'm getting downvoted way too much for totally factual claims here. I do see beggars at least once a week these days I'd say. They've increased a lot compared to my first years in London when I would safely call it rare. I reckon because of cost of living.
You're getting downvoted because armrests only act as 'hostile architecture' when they stop people lying down to sleep, and the beggars on the tube are visibly not sleeping.
The beggars are constantly moving, and only ask for money on trains that are in motion, in order to evade the staff. Those that want to stay in one place set up just outside the station entrance.
Furthermore, a tube platform is a poor place to sleep, not only because the staff will move you on and the trains are really noisy, but mostly because the tube is closed at night.
I do agree that some-human was wrong to say "People without a home do not have access to the platforms" though, as you're right that it's possible to access the platforms without paying. But some-human was right in the broader context of the thread - whether the armrests constitute hostile architecture - that we do not see rough sleepers sleeping on tube platforms.
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#94These are Eduardo Paolozzi’s ghosts taking their revenge for the destruction of the beautiful mosaic at old Tottenham Court Road Station, obviously. Seriously, though the Lizzie Line is an example of really grand design but poorly executed. Here are some of my observations: a. The quality of material is poor and hinders easy maintenance. b. The high-res information displays show train arrivals in incorrect order, e.g…
How much energy is "wasted" to print all those paper posters, ship them to all stations, have people periodically replace them, discard the old ones etc?
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#95Earlier quoted context omitted.
If the (quite useless) armrests weren't there to prevent the homeless from sleeping on them, people wouldn't be sitting in the exact same spot every time, causing a light smear instead of defined person-like shaped on the wall.
100% US view haha! There is no chance that TFL lets people sleep here.
It is such a shame how normalized homeless people and transit are in the United States. And they wonder why everybody drives their car?
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
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I bet birds make excellent noise-absorbers.
Rats also
Probably clean up discarded biological matter pretty well. Rats have decent cognitive capabilities. I wonder if trained cleaning rats would displace the naughty variety.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/feb/01/swedish-...
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#97These are Eduardo Paolozzi’s ghosts taking their revenge for the destruction of the beautiful mosaic at old Tottenham Court Road Station, obviously. Seriously, though the Lizzie Line is an example of really grand design but poorly executed. Here are some of my observations: a. The quality of material is poor and hinders easy maintenance. b. The high-res information displays show train arrivals in incorrect order, e.g…
The heat generated by the LED ads is tiny compared to the heat generated by the actual trains and I think they handled that one very well.
Presumably the LED ads are also cheaper than employing people to change the posters.
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank you for verifying that what I'm saying is not that unreasonable. I'm getting downvoted way too much for totally factual claims here. I do see beggars at least once a week these days I'd say. They've increased a lot compared to my first years in London when I would safely call it rare. I reckon because of cost of living.
You're getting downvoted because armrests only act as 'hostile architecture' when they stop people lying down to sleep, and the beggars on the tube are visibly not sleeping. The beggars are constantly moving, and only ask for money on trains that are in motion, in order to evade the staff. Those that want to stay in one place set up just outside the station entrance. Furthermore, a tube platform is a poor place to sl…
Yes, I was responding to the claim that "People without a home do not have access to the platforms". That is all. That therefore rules out that as the main reason that homeless people are not sleeping rough in tube stations. I never mentioned anything about the hostile architecture. That was someone else, so I do not deserve a downvote for it. I was only addressing the claim about access, so that we could discuss the real reasons for the lack of rough sleeping in the tube, not fantasy ones.
In reality the reason is because the authorities want to stop them and they do this through policing the platforms obviously but hostile architecture is put in place to make sure they don't have to be searching for homeless people all the time in the first place. It's a joint effort, obviously.
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
The heat generated by the LED ads is tiny compared to the heat generated by the actual trains and I think they handled that one very well.
Presumably the LED ads are also cheaper than employing people to change the posters.
i doubt it's less actual cost, but they definitely make more money overall by being able to rotate the ads more frequently.
Re: Elizabeth line testing ways of banishing its "ghosts in the walls"
#100These are Eduardo Paolozzi’s ghosts taking their revenge for the destruction of the beautiful mosaic at old Tottenham Court Road Station, obviously. Seriously, though the Lizzie Line is an example of really grand design but poorly executed. Here are some of my observations: a. The quality of material is poor and hinders easy maintenance. b. The high-res information displays show train arrivals in incorrect order, e.g…
The heat generated by the LED ads is tiny compared to the heat generated by the actual trains and I think they handled that one very well.
Generally agreed.
In DC we had a similar change over. My complaint is just that it is incredibly tacky. It's much brighter than ambient lighting is.
Our metro system is facing a huge budget crunch (the Feds stopping COVID money, and the 2.5 states involved have been very unhelpful at providing funding). I get that advertising is an appealing revenue stream. I just wish we could do it in a way that wasn't so rambunctiously over the top; I wish we could preserve some level of taste.