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JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

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We really need a paywall mark. Too bad linking to av....ld would probably shut down the site for today.

Anyone here from one of the large CDN providers want to reach out to AV Herald and offer him some free services? It’s such a useful and informative resource. Too bad it’s super slow when accessed in AU/NZ and I guess outside US/EU.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#102

I'd suggest that the miracle escape is testament to ~100? years of evolution of civil aviation safety practices.

Yes? That doesn’t make it incorrect to call it a miracle.

Or god wanted them all to die, but human technological advances made them live.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#103

This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..

Members of my family require medication (epipen, some various pills), and I keep that along with a flashlight (in case I need to administer in pitch black) in a small haversack. I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. I do feel conflicted since the no luggage mantra has been drilled in for decades.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#104

This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..

>> Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life.

I was going to say a major narcissist would disagree, but they probably don't have many of those in Japan. And then you followed up:

>> Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..

Is that for real? It would not surprise me, but is there documentation of this difference in deplaning? Or other areas?

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

5 people died. I wouldn't call it a miracle.

>All 379 passengers and crew of a Japan Airlines plane escaped a devastating fire that erupted after it collided with a smaller Coast Guard aircraft at Tokyo’s Haneda airport on Tuesday. That's 379 lives saved, is the number not important, or is it the ratio?

It should have been 384. If 10,000 people die but 1,000,000 are "saved", do we not mourn the 10,000 people? Have a heart my man. What if you were one of those 10,000?

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#106

This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..

Members of my family require medication (epipen, some various pills), and I keep that along with a flashlight (in case I need to administer in pitch black) in a small haversack. I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools. I do feel conflicted since the no luggage mantra has been drilled in for decades.

>> I would probably try to take that with me, as I would hate to survive the crash but then have a fatal medical event in the aftermath and not have the tools.

But you might just die in the fire yourself, prioritizing a hypothetical emergency over a real one. There would also be plenty of medical personnel present once you get off the plane, they probably won't let you leave the scene without talking to one.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It’s a good idea to keep your passport and some small USB drives (password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop, etc.) on your person instead of in your luggage when you fly.

>password database, Linux image for installation on a new laptop Heh. Imagine surviving a plane crash. Everyone is busy calling their loved ones, and I'm busy setting up my new Linux distribution on a laptop bought in duty free, using the Linux image in my pocket.

After six hours trying to get the touchpad working you're wishing you'd died in the crash.

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#108
Admiral Cloudberg has their work cut out for them again... I always love their insights (not sure if it's a man or a woman)

It's not really a miracle though. Just the system working as intended, and the many lessons learned from the lives that were lost in the past paying off.

As an example: due to this accident with many fatalities, the process for fire on the runway has been improved considerably. In that case the wind direction made a big difference in the number of fatalities, because it blew toxic smoke and fire into the fuselage while the evacuation was ongoing. Lessons were learned and procedures fixed. But it's still important to remember that those lessons were paid in blood. https://admiralcloudberg.medium.com/fire-on-the-runway-the-m...

Re: JAL A359 at Tokyo collided with Coast Guard DH8C on runway and burst into flames

#109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>All 379 passengers and crew of a Japan Airlines plane escaped a devastating fire that erupted after it collided with a smaller Coast Guard aircraft at Tokyo’s Haneda airport on Tuesday. That's 379 lives saved, is the number not important, or is it the ratio?

It should have been 384. If 10,000 people die but 1,000,000 are "saved", do we not mourn the 10,000 people? Have a heart my man. What if you were one of those 10,000?

If a "normal" outcome for such an event would have been much closer to 1,000,000 being killed, then yes it would be wonderful if 990,000 were saved. Sure, we mourn the dead, but we can still be happy for the saved.
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