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Where's that number coming from?
The number of souls on board for JL516. * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Airlines_Flight_516
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I guess the question is if you think the current system is good enough. The next big crash will change people’s minds on this.
No, the question is what authorities and regulators conclude, after this incident is properly investigated, regarding improvements and risk mitigation measures have to be put in place. Aerospace regulations are written in blood, and almost-blood, not in public outcry.
This is why you follow cabin crew instructions and DO NOT CARRY YOUR LUGGAGE out of the aircraft in an emergency. Your luggage is not worth more than a fellow passengers life. Contrast this with evacuation footage of western passenger planes..
I'll speculate: this looks like textbook runway invasion where miscommunication leads to two different aircrafts being allowed on a runway at the same time. Reminds me of LATAM 2213, which led to the very first Airbus 320 neo being written off [1]. Essentially, clearance to enter a runway has to be expressively given and confirmed in non-ubiquitous language ("Flight ABC requesting clearance to enter runway 01"). Yet…
it is crazy to me that all of this still relies on humans giving verbal clearance over radio. Shouldn’t there be a universal standard to communicate clearances to the computer systems of the airplanes and other runway vehicles? And shouldn’t there be a small, well-tested core system that makes sure clearance never conflicts? How on earth does all this still depend on skilled individuals not making a mistake? We got o…
ATC entering instructions into a computer, then pilots reading and interpreting from their computer, and then operating their plane, probably is slower and the context switches between the computer screen and what's outside the window may lead to errors.
There are over 100,000 commercial flights each day (worldwide):
* https://www.flightradar24.com/data/statistics
* https://news.paxeditions.com/news/airline/radar-shows-record...
* https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/12/9/visualising-the-...
What is the error rate of runway incursions and such?
> How on earth does all this still depend on skilled individuals not making a mistake?
Flying aircraft in general depends on "skilled individuals not making a mistake". Unless you think we should get rid of pilots completely?
Other things that "depend on skilled individuals not making a mistake": driving cars, cooking food properly (to avoid poisoning), surgery, etc.
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No, the question is what authorities and regulators conclude, after this incident is properly investigated, regarding improvements and risk mitigation measures have to be put in place. Aerospace regulations are written in blood, and almost-blood, not in public outcry.
Regulators are people too
I'd suggest that the miracle escape is testament to ~100? years of evolution of civil aviation safety practices.
Comments get more informative (and informed?) down the thread.
According to Flightradar24, https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1742136715253313938 , the Japanese coast guard aircraft was not equipped with a ADS-B transponder. Probably because it's not a requirement for military aircraft. That can explain why the ATC and/or JAL was not aware of the exact location of the plane.
* https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ja722a
* Via: https://twitter.com/flightradar24/status/1742136715253313938
* https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/de-havilland-canada-d...
I'd suggest that the miracle escape is testament to ~100? years of evolution of civil aviation safety practices.
Yes? That doesn’t make it incorrect to call it a miracle.
"a surprising and welcome event that is not explicable by natural or scientific laws and is therefore considered to be the work of a divine agency."
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Over 50%, sure, but 50% of a very small number. How many deaths do you expect keeping passengers from being distracted at these times would prevent? (I expect if you compare that to the number of people inconvenienced by the rule it's a terrible trade off.)
> How many deaths do you expect keeping passengers from being distracted at these times would prevent? As of today: 379.
Incredibly, people can walk and chew gum at the same time. This includes the ability to refocus their attention when they experience unusual events.