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Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

ecmascript wrote: post #67
nwah1 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is also personally experimenting with things far more extreme than that. Like off-label pharmaceuticals, replacing his blood with blood from his son, and even gene therapy.

Well yeah, but he doesn't say people should follow him but rather that everyone are free and should make changes to his "protocol" in order to make it fit their life. I still see no problem here..

> How can you be against that?

Personally, I'm against using my children as blood banks

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by kypro »

Ecstatify wrote: post #27

What is this guys agenda? Seems like he’s on the path to setup a cult.

He's smart enough to understand that while these interventions might help, they're realistically only going to add a decade or two to his life. And the stuff he's doing is fairly intensive – it's not like he's just changed his diet or something. Going to such extremes for an extra decade isn't affordable and likely not even worth it for most people who want to balance enjoyment with longevity.

I don't get the claim he's doing this for science either because even if he lives a couple of extra decades (say to 100) it would be difficult to claim that his interventions did anything at all given no trends can be made from a single data point. And the bulk of any longevity gains is probably going to come from simple interventions like exercise and diet.

So I think you have to be cynical... I think you have to assume he's taking an extreme approach to gain some notoriety within the growing anti-aging community and is trying to leverage that for self-promotion and profit.

I mean, why is he being so public about this stuff anyway? The guy has a YouTube channel where he talks about all the things he's trying so it's not like this is simply something he is personally interested in and occasionally writing about. He's clearly making his self-experimentation a business and clearly wants people to follow his journey. For example, this isn't simply information, this is marketing material likely designed to be shared on social media, https://freight.cargo.site/t/original/i/0128a596fea8b3a19e55...

I'm not hating though... I think it's kinda cool what he's doing honestly, but it's hard to not see this as a play for fame or clever marketing for a wellness / supplement business.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by ecmascript »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #71
ecmascript wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well yeah, but he doesn't say people should follow him but rather that everyone are free and should make changes to his "protocol" in order to make it fit their life. I still see no problem here..

> How can you be against that? Personally, I'm against using my children as blood banks

> Personally, I'm against using my children as blood banks

C'mon dude. Stop the hate and grow up.

If my father called me today and asked for my blood in order to live longer I would gladly help him. I want my father to be healthy and live as long as possible. Besides giving blood is not bad for you, it can even have positive health effects that several studies have shown.

You also have to assume that the blood giving is consensual since there is no reason to assume otherwise.

Also it was a trial in which he stopped when no positive effects were shown: https://www.businessinsider.com/millionaire-bryan-johnson-st...

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by neuronic »

RanTig wrote: post #40

I really wish he did his research without being restricted to a vegan diet. He mentioned in one of his videos that his choice for a vegan diet isn't motivated by health, so I can't help but think that part of these recommendations are just there to mitigate the effects of that specific diet. For example, an omnivorous diet might not need certain supplements.

I am glad he is focusing on a vegan diet (especially if no technological revolutions are made in artificially derived animal products). It's nice to learn about the downsides of it in order deal with them rather than just defaulting back to animal products.

One of his main points in the intro is not destroying our biosphere and going vegan is the single most impactful thing an individual can do to support that. Supplementing B12 is not that hard of a task to ask from a population which already swallows pills and powders by the kilograms a year.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by fasterik »

oldtownroad wrote: post #52
Shekelphile wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a very weird lack of interest in slowing down or reversing aging in the scientific/medical community in general. To me it seems like it should be a top priority. Life is extremely short and extending our lives shouldn't be a terribly hard feat given there are plenty of biologically immortal and long lived organisms all over our planet.

We have so much lower hanging fruit to tackle first that doesn’t even require research: what’s the point in extending your miserable life a couple more miserable years? Adding a decade on to your life of extreme privilege is worthwhile, but for the majority of people on earth, simply getting them on to a nutritious diet would do far more for their quality of life and their lifespan than slowing down aging ever could.…

There is no sharp line between "slowing down aging" and common-sense things like diet, sleep, exercise, etc. It all exists on the same spectrum.

>simply getting them on to a nutritious diet would do far more for their quality of life and their lifespan than slowing down aging ever could.

That in itself is a scientific claim that needs to be supported by evidence. How are we going to get that evidence if we aren't doing the research? We also don't have a good definition of exactly what a "nutritious diet" is. The idea that we shouldn't be be investing in health and longevity research is anti-intellectual and short-sighted, in my opinion.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by itsoktocry »

kkoncevicius wrote: post #34

I love what the guy is doing. It is a one-man experiment that would be very very hard to reproduce, or even get ethics approval and funding for, by a research lab. But on the other hand, I get a sense that the public side of his results are overblown. For example, my field is epigenetics, so I had a look at his "epigenetic clock" results. He uses "DunedinPACE" to track the rate of aging and his result is supposedly 0…

>Why not mention things like that along with all the optimism?

The only people I see with extreme optimism are weird tech people. Most people I follow outside of that circle range from laughing at this to "kinda neat" (like you and me).

Is anyone convinced this is "worth it", or that what he's doing is actually anti-aging anything?

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by Dave3of5 »

mkreis wrote: post #7

Wow, just look at the number of pills he takes every day: https://protocol.bryanjohnson.com/#step-2-supplements And then apparently the same dish, every day... definitely a very scientific approach.

Yeah I noticed this and was going to mention it. That many supplements is very very odd.

Many people have lived very long over the years without resorting to that many pills.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by itsoktocry »

bmikaili wrote: post #45
RanTig wrote: post #40

I really wish he did his research without being restricted to a vegan diet. He mentioned in one of his videos that his choice for a vegan diet isn't motivated by health, so I can't help but think that part of these recommendations are just there to mitigate the effects of that specific diet. For example, an omnivorous diet might not need certain supplements.

Why so? A vegan diet when supplemented is an easy way to avoid potential bad consequences of animal products, such as heart disease, cancer, obesity or diabetes. The only real thing that meat-eaters do not have to supplement that vegans do is b12 (because livestock are supplemented with it) and maybe omega 3.

>b12 (because livestock are supplemented with it)

What do you mean "supplemented"? The vitamin comes from animal sources.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by JetSpiegel »

fasterik wrote: post #75
oldtownroad wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have so much lower hanging fruit to tackle first that doesn’t even require research: what’s the point in extending your miserable life a couple more miserable years? Adding a decade on to your life of extreme privilege is worthwhile, but for the majority of people on earth, simply getting them on to a nutritious diet would do far more for their quality of life and their lifespan than slowing down aging ever could.…

There is no sharp line between "slowing down aging" and common-sense things like diet, sleep, exercise, etc. It all exists on the same spectrum. >simply getting them on to a nutritious diet would do far more for their quality of life and their lifespan than slowing down aging ever could. That in itself is a scientific claim that needs to be supported by evidence. How are we going to get that evidence if we aren't doi…

> That in itself is a scientific claim that needs to be supported by evidence.

That experiment has been running for the entire human existence. Richer people live longer and better lives.

Re: Blueprint health protocol

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Post by [deleted] »

JetSpiegel wrote: post #79
fasterik wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no sharp line between "slowing down aging" and common-sense things like diet, sleep, exercise, etc. It all exists on the same spectrum. >simply getting them on to a nutritious diet would do far more for their quality of life and their lifespan than slowing down aging ever could. That in itself is a scientific claim that needs to be supported by evidence. How are we going to get that evidence if we aren't doi…

> That in itself is a scientific claim that needs to be supported by evidence. That experiment has been running for the entire human existence. Richer people live longer and better lives.

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