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Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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Disney now uses that 'steamboat willie' intro clip at the start of most of their stuff. Are they trying to use it as a trademark, and therefore use trademark law rather than copyright law to stop people using steamboat Willie publicly?

That attempt would be a little funny and desperate. It reminds me of apple's ham-fisted approach to thwart third party repair shops.

https://repair.eu/news/apple-uses-trademark-law-to-strengthe...

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

#22

Disney now uses that 'steamboat willie' intro clip at the start of most of their stuff. Are they trying to use it as a trademark, and therefore use trademark law rather than copyright law to stop people using steamboat Willie publicly?

Trademark law only stops someone else using the character to represent themselves as Disney, or where is might cause confusion around that. A simple prominent disclaimer can fix that.

That's assuming Disney could ever register the trademark, which is not a given, no matter how often they use it.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

#23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably not this far, DALL-E / GPT4 has some issues.... https://twitter.com/bpiatt/status/1740915306359329233

The claim that this looks like modern mickey mouse is wild to me.

Doing a side by side. MM doesn't have visible front teeth, his ears are smaller and fully black, the silhouette is different. But the shape of the face and features, including where the shape of the black fur decends (at the widows peak?), the eyebrows, the eyes with white, all look quite similar. To me it's much closer to a modern Mickey than the original flat black and white.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

#24
“US copyright law says the rights to characters can be held for 95 years.”

95 years ago was also about when the cinema and recording industries began.

Since then, I’ll argue, all recorded entertainment and theatrical performances have become “fixed” into our culture similar to how Plato, the Bible, and Shakespeare became cultural touchstones due to literacy and the printing press.

And now, as they enter the public domain, Mickey and others are becoming, for better or worse, an inescapable part of our common heritage.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

#25

Disney now uses that 'steamboat willie' intro clip at the start of most of their stuff. Are they trying to use it as a trademark, and therefore use trademark law rather than copyright law to stop people using steamboat Willie publicly?

The Mickey Mouse head is literally the logo of the Disney corporation, it is and it will remain their trademark in perpetuity(or for as long as Disney exists). Trademarks are different than copyright - you can't start a company and use Mickey mouse as your logo for instance, because then the trademark law would kick in. But you can still make your own story/cartoon/film with Mickey Mouse the character and it should b…

Only the steamboat Willie version, the one without gloves .

Also practically it doesn’t matter whether it could be fine, most businesses can’t afford to fight an extended legal battle with Disney

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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post #24

“US copyright law says the rights to characters can be held for 95 years.” 95 years ago was also about when the cinema and recording industries began. Since then, I’ll argue, all recorded entertainment and theatrical performances have become “fixed” into our culture similar to how Plato, the Bible, and Shakespeare became cultural touchstones due to literacy and the printing press. And now, as they enter the public do…

Is Mickey content good enough that we'll see continued interest? My encounters with Mickey (35 year old American) have been only through the movie Fantasia and I know he is a prominent mascot of Disney World. But the pull to Disney world is probably what, Star Wars or Pixar these days? I was recently thinking Star Wars and the Friends TV series could reach that permanent status. Mickey seems unlikely to me.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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post #10

The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings enters the public domain in New Zealand, Egypt, and a couple other countries. Would have entered into the public domain in Canada had the government not signed a last-minute 20 year copyright extension act last year.

Retroactive copyright extensions are changing the deal after it has been made, for the benefit of copyright holders and to the detriment of the public. This is unethical.

That's why I get angry when copyright holders try to make ethical arguments against piracy.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Steamboat_Willie_(19... There's WebM, VP9 in various resolutions, and... MJPEG ? Setting aside the oddity of serving a 95-year-old cartoon in full HD, that's still an odd selection of codecs. Everything up to MPEG-4 ASP (XviD etc.) has already been patent-expired. There's also MP3 there, so why not an MPEG-2 (H.262), MPEG-1, or even H.261 encode?

Because despite Wikipedia and sister projects being one of the largest web property, it is running on a thin budget and has starved engineering resources. As far as I know, the transcode code is maintained by a single employee (possibly as a side gig / on top of everything else) and the assistance of a volunteer. For Motion JPEG a recent config change ( https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/operations/mediawiki-config...…

Why though ? They spend $160M a year [1] and grew their cash reserves by 50% year on year in 2023, so not particularly running in an operating deficit environment.

Transcoding is expensive but not that much, if my company doesn’t make 1/20 of Wikipedia and we can afford to do 1000s of hours a day of transcoding surely they can too.

[1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/11/W...

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

#29
Before people cheer too much, surprisingly works can retroactively be snatched back from the public domain and go back into copyrighted state.

The prime example is the movie Metropolis. It became public domain in 1953 but copyright was restored in 1996 only to re-enter the public domain a year ago today.

Re: Disney's earliest Mickey Mouse enters public domain as US copyright expires

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post #24

“US copyright law says the rights to characters can be held for 95 years.” 95 years ago was also about when the cinema and recording industries began. Since then, I’ll argue, all recorded entertainment and theatrical performances have become “fixed” into our culture similar to how Plato, the Bible, and Shakespeare became cultural touchstones due to literacy and the printing press. And now, as they enter the public do…

Is Mickey content good enough that we'll see continued interest? My encounters with Mickey (35 year old American) have been only through the movie Fantasia and I know he is a prominent mascot of Disney World. But the pull to Disney world is probably what, Star Wars or Pixar these days? I was recently thinking Star Wars and the Friends TV series could reach that permanent status. Mickey seems unlikely to me.

Mickey's a big one targeted at little kids. His clubhouse, funhouse, roadster racers, etc. are very popular with that demo, I assure you.
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