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I question if half of high school seniors should apply to colleges that cost MORE than 40k. Some of the best educators I had were at community colleges with tuition ~1k per year. It didn't have the marble buildings and heated pools of my UC, but class size was 20 instead of 200 and the primary vocation of the professor was education, not Nobel prize research
Certainly a bell curve situation here.
Isn't it cheaper to come to EU and attend the uni here then return?
I was held to be very good at French in high school and my head would have exploded at the Sorbonne.
I was lucky a top ten school in my degree was less than two hours away. A lot of Americans don’t want to travel that far. I suspect it’s something about how far you have to go to encounter properly different people here, lulls many of us into complacency. We are just too spread out.
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in-state tuition for a CS/eng degree at a good school still seems affordable to me. I checked my alma mater in Indiana and I'd do it again.
Does the tuition depend on the course?
I will recommend my kids go to college outside the US unless they get into a household name university. It’s not worth the money anymore. If college was about education surely a benevolent government-university axis would conspire to lower the price by any means; if it were about signaling inclusion into a higher social strata perhaps we might expect college to become ever more expensive… Thiel and Will Hunting have…
My suggestion would be to get into a high caliber university, and drop out after one or two years if they can find full-time employment. The ability to get admitted into MIT, Ivy League, et. al. is about as good at signaling ability as it is to graduate. If I saw an applicant with 1 or 2 years of uni followed by full-time work, that'd be just as impressive as a graduate.
That said, Reporting from the economist suggest that university is a net negative for ~15% of people, and ~25% of young men: https://www.economist.com/international/2023/04/03/was-your-...
People don't like to talk about it because it comes off as elitist, but someone going to a university with an >80% admissions rate isn't really effective at signaling capability. If one of my kids only got into such universities and didn't garner much in terms of grants and financial aid, I'd want him or her to seriously consider alternatives like trades, community college, or a technical boot camp.
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Definitely. Uni in the EU is very inexpensive and all expenses will really be cost of living (or room and board if living on campus). Uni in the USA is outrageously expensive and is in addition to the cost of living.
You get what you pay for though. As with a lot of things, universities in the UK rank highly but I would say - as someone that went to oxbridge - that they are nowhere near the quality of American universities. Smart people attend, the smartest in europe by a wide margin, but still lag behind.
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I don’t think so. > As of 2023, approximately 44 million Americans carry student loan debt, with the total student loan debt in the United States reaching $1.76 trillion according to the Federal Reserve. This figure includes both federal and private student loans. It's notable that the number of people with federal student loans is around 43.4 million, and there are about 3.5 million private student loan borrowers, l…
I think those figures support the GP's "small, vocal minority" argument. Assuming students carry their debt for 45 years (across their earning lifetime -- my gf and her ex both carry student debt in their 50s) that's only 1 MM students per annum, which is 5-6% of the number of students any given year. And most of them aren't complaining.
I don't know how you got your number but your math seems deeply flawed...
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I don’t think so. > As of 2023, approximately 44 million Americans carry student loan debt, with the total student loan debt in the United States reaching $1.76 trillion according to the Federal Reserve. This figure includes both federal and private student loans. It's notable that the number of people with federal student loans is around 43.4 million, and there are about 3.5 million private student loan borrowers, l…
I think those figures support the GP's "small, vocal minority" argument. Assuming students carry their debt for 45 years (across their earning lifetime -- my gf and her ex both carry student debt in their 50s) that's only 1 MM students per annum, which is 5-6% of the number of students any given year. And most of them aren't complaining.
I will recommend my kids go to college outside the US unless they get into a household name university. It’s not worth the money anymore. If college was about education surely a benevolent government-university axis would conspire to lower the price by any means; if it were about signaling inclusion into a higher social strata perhaps we might expect college to become ever more expensive… Thiel and Will Hunting have…
I will recommend my kids go to college outside the US unless they get into a household name university. It’s not worth the money anymore. If college was about education surely a benevolent government-university axis would conspire to lower the price by any means; if it were about signaling inclusion into a higher social strata perhaps we might expect college to become ever more expensive… Thiel and Will Hunting have…
I will recommend my kids go to college outside the US unless they get into a household name university. It’s not worth the money anymore. If college was about education surely a benevolent government-university axis would conspire to lower the price by any means; if it were about signaling inclusion into a higher social strata perhaps we might expect college to become ever more expensive… Thiel and Will Hunting have…
Depends on the field. CS can be learned better online than in a school, probably because the people who built the internet are cs nerds, but medical fields, law fields, and some areas of engineering are much less accessible. The big issue imo is employers using a college degree as an easy filter for applicants results in everyone needing one to be competitive regardless of any utility. It’s gotten to where people tel…
I would disagree. Learning things, for me at least, was something social. And talking lectures over or solving problems together with other people was crucial for me for understanding things. Furthermore, university was a good place to network. I think it's difficult to find something similar on the Internet.
Whether it's worth taking on tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt, probably not. But that's not a problem where I come from.