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Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Re: Kagi, I heard about it on HN, tried it for 100 searches, then subscribed. When I search for random JS and CSS things, MDN is the first result, and if it isn't, I can downrank whatever spammy site(s) are on top. --- I wish I had a local LLM trained to detect clickbait and or low-effort content. I imagine searching YouTube and having all the clickbait collapsed together (just like Kagi condenses listicles), with th…

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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I reckon these days search is pretty difficult and everyone knows how to game it. I recommend using a search engine that lets you effectively change which sites are shown. You can do this with Kagi, or with Google's Programmable Search Engines - I'm sure there are more too. In particular I block Youtube, not because they aren't sometimes correct, but because I don't want videos polluting the regular results - it just…

Google's PSE is neat but there isn't a good way to manage switching between them. They could easily add a little dropdown to let you select which one to use as part of the public link UI they provide for each one individually. Giggle[1] gives me this ability and I run it locally (alongside Kagi) for more specific things to target domain lists I've been building over the years.

1. https://github.com/dan-lovelace/giggle

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #281

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> I will say that a test of ChatGPT 4 leads me directly to youtube-dl And yet to other people it starts rambling about how that’s wrong and you shouldn’t do it and doesn’t give a usable answer. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38822040 I boggles the mind the extent to which people salivate over a system that cannot decide between a correct straight answer, something wrong but plausible, something wrong and imposs…

That's GPT 3.5. It sounds like you have a bit of an axe to grind with ChatGPT, but if you're going to do so, do try to grind it on the correct version.

The comment says it’s v4. Since there’s no information on the page either way (funny, considering the original complaint), I took them at their word. If you don’t believe them, that’s up to you.

For what it’s worth, I do have access to v4 and it did give me an answer right now. But since I also know even v4 can give you wildly different answers to the same question even if you ask them one right after another, that doesn’t prove it either way.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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This makes so much sense why people think search results are bad. Great results for "Download youtube videos" is "Ideally, the top hit would be yt-dlp or a thin, graphical, wrapper around yt-dlp" Just give me a website where I can plug in the DL link and download it to my hard drive. I don't care what package they are using (I don't worry about malware like I did in the 90s). 99.999% of people are not programming tin…

The first result on Kagi is exactly this, just tried it a moment ago. It processed and downloaded the video extremely fast. Why would any reasonable person prefer youtube-dl?

Over here the first result on Kagi is savefrom.net which variously tries to install malware or sell a paid subscription and does not download videos.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Ironically I had to use a search engine to discover what "Mwmbl" was. It's apparently a search engine. But, visiting the front page, I see something akin to a git commit log?! I'm not sure I'd have guessed that this was a SE if Brave Search did not tell me it was (even then I'm not convinced yet).

https://mwmbl.org/

Added: Interesting. Apparently it's allowed to edit the SERPS there. Which implies that I'm out, but (well, because) I've got a feeling which kind of Internet Entrepreneurs this factoid will appeal to

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Kagi is just the best, it feels like Google did before a decade+ of enshittification and ad tech.

I just tried it (free account), and it felt underwhelming, not many search results, or particularly interesting ones, for the image and video stuff I searched. There was little to no spam, though, but not much to look at either. Maybe it might be useful when searching for stuff that usually has high amount of confusing spam, but otherwise not really useful for me...

Kagi is still very weak for searching for videos and images. For those, I still use Google.

Kagi really shines when you are doing a standard search, though, which is what most people do most of the time.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

#437
post #238

For me the problem is not just that searching on Google is bad, but that sometimes it COMPLETELY hides exactly what I'm looking, for no good reason. For instance, I wrote an R ggplot2 package called "fedplot" (following the convention of calling the package for the figure style it replicates, as in "bbplot" for BBC-style charts). Try searching for it on Google: "github" "fedplot" doesn't get you anywhere. Meanwhile,…

Searching for "fedplot" looking for https://github.com/sergiocorreia in the results: Qwant: Result 1 Bing: Result 1 Google: Result 2 Marginalia: Zero results ChatGPT 3.5: Some Federal Reserve dot plot nonsense and no useful results.

I would say Google has zero results, as it does not find https://github.com/sergiocorreia/fedplot nor https://sergiocorreia.github.io/fedplot/ ; even with the advantage of the latter being manually added to the Google Admin console.

Meanwhile, both Bing and Qwant give me exactly what I want

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I have concluded that Google definitely censors search results relating to the Ukraine war, after vainly searching for articles about documented Ukrainian war crimes (reported in mainstream Western media like NYT/WaPo).

I'm not seeing this. I Googled "war crimes by ukrainian soldiers" and the top link was an Amnesty International Article, "Ukraine: Ukrainian fighting tactics endanger civilians". https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrai... I use Google as little as possible because I don't like surveillance advertising but fair is fair.

You're right: I just checked and there are several hits for events that happened over a year ago that I couldn't find at all with Google back then. Shame on me for not checking before I posted. I have no idea what happened but apparently it's now fixed.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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post #217

Current Kagi results for those without an account to compare: youtube downloader https://kagi.com/search?q=youtube+downloader&r=us&sh=_szITdy... ad blocker https://kagi.com/search?q=Ad+blocker&r=us&sh=-BHzV2ZoCDpmgOu... download Firefox https://kagi.com/search?q=Download+Firefox&r=us&sh=zkkmc_EQX... why do wider tires have better grip? https://kagi.com/search?q=Why+do+wider+tires+have+better+gri... why do they keep m…

Kagi gives me websites that require more clicking; Google just gives me reasonable answers and I don't see spam in your examples. "why do wider tires have better grip?" Wider tires provide more grip due to a larger contact patch with the road. While it's true that friction is not directly dependent on surface area, a larger contact patch allows for more even weight distribution and better traction, particularly durin…

That first result re: tires is simply wrong. Wider tires don't have a larger contact patch; the size of the contact patch is determined by the weight of the car and the air pressure in the tires:

    A = W / P
So the reason wider tires improve handling is more complex and subtle. Also, FTA:

    Assuming a baseline of a moderately wide tire for the wheel size.
      - Scaling both of these to make both wider than the OEM tire (but still running a setup that fits in the car without serious modifications) generally gives better dry braking and better lap times.
      - In wet conditions, wider setups often have better braking distances (though this depends a lot on the specific setup) and better lap times, but also aquaplane at lower speeds.
      - Just increasing the wheel width and using the same tire generally gives you better lap times, within reason.
      - Just increasing the tire width and leaving wheel width fixed generally results in worse lap times.
A full accounting of the effects of changing tire width should explain all of these effects.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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What do you expect when you search for Steve Jobs? Also, which filter did you use?

I don't know I used any filters? I don't know what are filters sorry I expect wikipedia article on Jobs as a baseline.

If you just want the Wikipedia article, you can go straight there. Why are you searching for it?
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