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Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Hmm, what's your browser? I renewed the cert today... Only thing I can think of is that it might not like a wildcard cert for the bare marginalia.nu domain.

Safari doesn't like https://marginalia.nu . Probably because *.marginalia.nu is not valid for the base domain. Add it as a Subject Alt Name

Try now?

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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This makes so much sense why people think search results are bad. Great results for "Download youtube videos" is "Ideally, the top hit would be yt-dlp or a thin, graphical, wrapper around yt-dlp" Just give me a website where I can plug in the DL link and download it to my hard drive. I don't care what package they are using (I don't worry about malware like I did in the 90s). 99.999% of people are not programming tin…

The first result on Kagi is exactly this, just tried it a moment ago. It processed and downloaded the video extremely fast. Why would any reasonable person prefer youtube-dl?

IMO, if you're capable of running yt-dlp, it's far better than any website.

It's pretty simple to run these download tools as website, but it's expensive in terms of bandwidth and tends to attract legal attention. So a lot of websites go up supporting it, but even if they were started with good intentions, they will virtually all eventually add intrusive ads or other types of monetization just to break even. So there's never going to be a reliable website for it. If you're lucky, a search engine will send you to one that's working okay right now, but even odds you'll be fighting through a dozen malware nests.

Meanwhile, yt-dlp just works every time, with only an occasional pip upgrade to keep it up to date.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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The author describes that site as such, which seems fair to rate as "terrible": > Some youtube downloader site. Has lots of assurances that the website and the tool are safe because they've been checked by "Norton SafeWeb". Interacting with the site at all prompts you to install a browser extension and enable notifications. Trying to download any video gives you a full page pop-over for extension installation for som…

That's how he described it but I tried it myself and found it perfectly functional to download a video with different options for size / quality. It has ads but not nearly as bad as described. It's a service that is quasi illegal and explicitly breaks the YouTube terms of service. I think the search engine did a good job surfacing what was searched for, there just aren't going to be any free online YouTube downloader…

It'd be useful to know what site you used to verify - but if we're talking about the same site, IMO a website that presents Dan's experience sometimes, and your experience sometimes, is actively harmful.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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The web has gotten bad because of what big search engines have encouraged. If they stopped incentivizing publishing complete garbage (by ruthlessly delisting low quality sites regardless of their ad quantity, etc) then maybe we'd see a resurgence of good content.

I don't think so. I think it's the inevitable outcome of giving all of humanity the ability to broadcast without curation. Or maybe we're saying essentially the same thing, but you think search engines should be doing that curation. But that was never my conception of what search engines are for.

I think we are indeed saying the same thing. However, I would like search engines to do some curation -- specifically, to remove results that deliver malware, are clones of other sites, and are just entirely content free (eg Microsoft's forums).

I'll give Google credit: I haven't seen gitmemory or SO clones in a while. It took a few years but they seem to have dealt with them.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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You can buy access to the Google Search API, which is what I assume Kagi does. Building your product on being able to circumvent some Google restrictions seems like a bad business move, if you can buy the same service for a reasonable price.

Where can I buy it?

https://developers.google.com/custom-search

It's been available for ages. We used it to power the company internal search for a large enterprise I worked at 17 or 18 years ago.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Safari doesn't like https://marginalia.nu . Probably because *.marginalia.nu is not valid for the base domain. Add it as a Subject Alt Name

Try now?

Looks like you've fixed your bug.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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I noticed that the author uses ChatGPT3.5 rather than 4, which is a rather large difference. I don't have the knowledge to rerank all questions the author asked, but I will say that a test of ChatGPT 4 leads me directly to youtube-dl, which is better than every other search engine listed.

> I will say that a test of ChatGPT 4 leads me directly to youtube-dl And yet to other people it starts rambling about how that’s wrong and you shouldn’t do it and doesn’t give a usable answer. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38822040 I boggles the mind the extent to which people salivate over a system that cannot decide between a correct straight answer, something wrong but plausible, something wrong and imposs…

That's GPT 3.5. It sounds like you have a bit of an axe to grind with ChatGPT, but if you're going to do so, do try to grind it on the correct version.

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Does this exist for DDG?

Yes, it works for most search engines.

The addon you linked (on the Firefox version) only requests permissions on google.* sites so I don't think it will work for DDG. Is there a separate extension, or am I misunderstanding something?

Re: Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

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Where can I buy it?

https://developers.google.com/custom-search It's been available for ages. We used it to power the company internal search for a large enterprise I worked at 17 or 18 years ago.

Yes this isn’t an API to make a generic search engine.
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