Compare Google, Bing, Marginalia, Kagi, Mwmbl, and ChatGPT

Post by computerfriend » Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 6:57 AM UTC

xpressvideoz wrote: post #146

> However, there's a sizable group of vocal folks who claim that search results are still great. I think that this very sentence shows the author's bias, because I feel that Google's search results are not just great, but better than what it was 10 years ago.

Post by spaceman_2020 » Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 7:09 AM UTC

trb wrote: post #172

hannasanarion wrote: post #165

I'm not able to reproduce the author's bad results in Kagi, at all. What I'm seeing when searching the same terms is fantastic in comparison. I don't know what went wrong there. In the Youtube Downloader search, NortonSafeWeb is nowhere to be found. I get a couple of legit downloader websites, and some articles from reputable tech newspapers on how to use them or command line tools. In the Adblock search, ublock Orig…

Same here, I was curious about Kagis low ranking, and couldn't replicate the search results. Also saw ublock Origin on #3, good results for tires, transitors and snow, etc. I've never used any of the Kagi search result weighing features. Ctrl+F on the page for "System prompt" doesn't show any hits. Given how important those are for ChatGPT (another thought - was the author testing GPT3.5 or 4?) I'm not sure how much…

Post by navigate8310 » Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 7:19 AM UTC

Nextgrid wrote: post #109

stevage wrote: post #96

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I have a hard time believing it's so difficult for a search engine to distinguish between a credible, respected website that has been around a while with some generated garbage that exists to be a search result. We humans can tell them apart, so in principle, computers can too.

Yes, this should be table stakes for a classifier - a company with the resource of Google can definitely solve that problem if they weren't themselves in the business of spam (advertising) and benefited from spam sites (as they often include Google ads/analytics).

Post by microtonal » Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 7:33 AM UTC

imiric wrote: post #89

ysavir wrote: post #38

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> In particular I block Youtube, not because they aren't sometimes correct, but because I don't want videos polluting the regular results - it just takes too long to get info from videos. Funnily enough, lately I've been prioritizing YT videos more when searching. So many sites now are just regurgitated SEO farms with minimal quality, and easy to see why: it's minimal effort to produce and cheap to host. But making a…

> But making a video takes time and effort, so has a much higher barrier to use as a click farm. > The mainstream channels aren't all that useful, but there's a ton of "old web" style videos (some even recent) passionately providing details for almost anything you'd think to search. And they're a gold mine. This won't be the case for long. YT is already starting to be polluted with spam and AI generated content, whic…

Post by golol » Sun, Dec 31, 2023, 7:55 AM UTC

wisemang wrote: post #160

golol wrote: post #143

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I just tested Mariginalia and it was completely unable to lead me to a Wikipedia or imdb page when searching for "driver ryan gosling" and variations. It just listed lots of random articles.

That.. is kind of the point of this particular search engine. > This is an independent DIY search engine that focuses on non-commercial content, and attempts to show you sites you perhaps weren't aware of in favor of the sort of sites you probably already knew existed.