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Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea

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Re: Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea

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The military response would look like air strikes either from carrier or Gulf bases. No commmandos required, drones have replaced them.

Yemen is backed by Iran and has some tech capable of striking US ships. US is probably eager to start another proxy war but not right now

Yemen is backed by Saudi Arabia and UAE. Houthis are backed by Iran.

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Wonder why this is getting downvoted. It’s just a statement of fact.

I can see how the slogans of the Houthis make them a less than sympathetic set of missileers. For example, it might be awkward for a person supportive of the Palestinian cause to be in goal alignment with a well funded group stating uncloseted hatred of Jews.

Re: Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea

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"The Singapore-flagged, Denmark-owned/operated container ship requested assistance, and the USS GRAVELY (DDG 107) and USS LABOON (DDG 58) have responded to the ship." Why does a Danish owned and operated container ship fly under the Singapore flag? Why did the US Navy get involved?

The US navy guards international shipping lanes all over the world. Gotta keep the economy rollin’.

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> The US carrier group may even adequately suppress the Houthis but this is attrition and Houthi investment is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost to the US. Between this, Ukraine, and the decades-long misadventures in the Middle East, the US is learning how to handle the next generation of conflicts. (As is everyone else that is paying attention.) The future looks increasingly more drone dependent. Explosives t…

Ukraine is a cautionary tale in that as much as military technology can change, that conflict is being decided by trenches, minefields, artillery, fixed fortifications, the inability of either side to cross a river and manpower attrition. At this point, it's basically a World War One conflict, mainly because neither side has air superiority. Russia's strategy now seems to be to wait out the Western will to provide ma…

Ukraine is a really cautionary tale to always have nuclear weapons and never give them up. Russia would never have tried this if Ukraine still had the capability to demolish a city with a button press

Look at how cautious the rest of the world is in helping Ukraine.

Re: Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea

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> The US carrier group may even adequately suppress the Houthis but this is attrition and Houthi investment is a drop in the ocean compared to the cost to the US. Between this, Ukraine, and the decades-long misadventures in the Middle East, the US is learning how to handle the next generation of conflicts. (As is everyone else that is paying attention.) The future looks increasingly more drone dependent. Explosives t…

Ukraine is a cautionary tale in that as much as military technology can change, that conflict is being decided by trenches, minefields, artillery, fixed fortifications, the inability of either side to cross a river and manpower attrition. At this point, it's basically a World War One conflict, mainly because neither side has air superiority. Russia's strategy now seems to be to wait out the Western will to provide ma…

The tactics are an artifact of the players attempting to avoid a broader-scale conflict. Moreover, direct conflict between two nuclear-armed states isn't something we've ever done before. Nobody wants to go down that road.

If the US and/or NATO were directly involved, it wouldn't look anything like trench warfare, and we wouldn't be using 30+ year old military tech. We really want to avoid this, though.

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Except this is real life and not a movie. They’re not cartoon villains. They’re actual real life villains.

The Houthi movement really strengthened after the US invasion of Iraq, so yeah the real villains who destabilized the shit out of the Middle East?

What a novel geopolitical theory reaching across Arabian peninsula. I suppose that once the US deposed someone in conflict with the Iranians, they could spend money on groups like the Houthis.

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From what I understand, and I could be very wrong, the fear is that directly attacking the Houthis will be seen as an escalation by Iran. The west doesn't want to get mired in yet another war in the Middle East, so instead they've adopted a defensive posture around their shipping lanes with Prosperity Guardian. This is also why Saudi Arabia's own navy vessels are conspicuously absent from the operation, despite the H…

My understanding is that the Saudi do not participate also because they do not want to be seen as Israel supporters.

> the Saudis do not participate

In fact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi-led_intervention_in_the_...

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I'm curious how many cargo ships does the US have?

What's the question? Directly majority owned by US companies (regardless of flag of convenience)? Cargo ships flying a US flag? Any ships with any percentage of US ownership?

Majority owned by US companies.

Re: Maersk ship hit by missile in the Red Sea

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This is gonna seem sort of like an off-topic comment but once we have free, unlimited, clean energy that can’t be weaponized into things like dirty bombs, a lot of these wars will simply disappear. Yes, this is a pie in the sky dream probably another 250 years away at minimum, but think about it: Don’t have carrots? Build a greenhouse and turn the lights on all day/night. Don’t have water? Condense it from the air or…

> free, unlimited, clean energy that can’t be weaponized into things like dirty bombs

even in this nuclear free fantasy world, medical and industrial sources will still be around and far easier to steal than fission fuel ever was. we've had the tech to make (virtually) free unlimited energy for 70 years and there is no good reason why it hasn't become ubiquitous

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