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'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by keymasta »

KronisLV wrote: post #59
hypeatei wrote: post #21

Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.

> Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. I think that the problem here is the fact that in some cases what might drive someone to taking their life might be preventable: either with therapy, medication, supportive people around them, or a mix of all of those. Or to call out harmful behavior when it occurs on the part of others, because humans can be really horrible to one another.…

> either with therapy, medication, supportive people around them, or a mix of all of those

I feel like you forgot the primary thing that would help people to stop thinking of ending it: being able to afford necessities.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by tester89 »

akira2501 wrote: post #69
y8bj wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who do follow through won’t care anymore.

They leave behind people who will.

The view that we owe our existence to other people is abhorrent. Besides, we don’t legislate against ghosting, which would have similar effects.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by hypeatei »

KronisLV wrote: post #59
hypeatei wrote: post #21

Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.

> Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. I think that the problem here is the fact that in some cases what might drive someone to taking their life might be preventable: either with therapy, medication, supportive people around them, or a mix of all of those. Or to call out harmful behavior when it occurs on the part of others, because humans can be really horrible to one another.…

> ...either with therapy, medication, supportive people around them

I think a problem with this is that suicide is so "off limits" that talking about doing it can get you institutionalized. Some medication can have awful side effects (mainly talking about SSRIs) which some people may not wish to experiment with.

Overall, I agree that other options should be presented too. But the root of the issue is the stigmatization of it all.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by fortran77 »

avalys wrote: post #15

If you're worried about climate change you should be all for this. Suicide is the most carbon-negative thing you can do! Well, other than mass murder, I suppose.

There are other good options, like losing weight. The 66% of the US population that is obese or overweight can make an easy positive change simply by eating less food. They'd save the carbon costs for the excess food, the excess clothing needed to cover them, the excess fuel needed to move them around, etc.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by akira2501 »

tester89 wrote: post #82
akira2501 wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They leave behind people who will.

The view that we owe our existence to other people is abhorrent. Besides, we don’t legislate against ghosting, which would have similar effects.

That view exists, but that's not at all what I'm expressing. The idea in this thread is that people experiencing /temporary/ suicidal ideation and go through with it won't care afterwards and therefore it's not an actual problem.

I'm pointing out the most obvious flaw with this conclusion.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by hypeatei »

tomohawk wrote: post #71
xenospn wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why is that?

The law doesn't allow the operation of a motor vehicle if you're drunk or intoxicated. Why would the law allow the use of this device in those circumstances. Without too much thinking, there are plenty of reasons there many be legal restriction on this. Keep in mind that alcohol is involved in 40% or more of suicides. People usually think that they are acting with a sound mind, and in their own interests. Except that…

Operating car while drunk can physically maim someone or kill them. Committing suicide does not do that to someone else.

I can acknowledge it may have an emotional effect on family/friends, but it isn't illegal to make someone sad or else breakups would be outlawed...

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by peteradio »

Gabrys1 wrote: post #74
Etheryte wrote: post #31

Assisted suicide is already legal in a number of countries, and I think this is the logical next step. If you can operate the apparatus yourself, you don't leave the scar on someone else's consciousness. You could say that this only shifts the burden one step away, but I think that is enough — if you decide to take your own life, whatever your reasons, it shouldn't be up to someone else to do it for you.

But then you still need someone (your family) to "clean up" your body...

Then you should try pod! Pod is no muss no fuss and that's no bluff sir. Each willing customer is turned to an atomized carbon neutral plasma slurry and instantaneously buttchugged by a butthurt dirtbag. Money back guaranteed government subsidy available.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by y8bj »

akira2501 wrote: post #85
tester89 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The view that we owe our existence to other people is abhorrent. Besides, we don’t legislate against ghosting, which would have similar effects.

That view exists, but that's not at all what I'm expressing. The idea in this thread is that people experiencing /temporary/ suicidal ideation and go through with it won't care afterwards and therefore it's not an actual problem. I'm pointing out the most obvious flaw with this conclusion.

It’s not temporary if they follow through.

Read some Camus and meditate on relativity’s reach; can’t ever know the abstract signals others feel. We’re not made of philosophy but mush and go propagating electricity.

Is it temporary if they stick around or are they role-playing?

You can’t ever actually know. Just argue rhetorical positions in symbolic logic. Not the same as being anyone else.

There’s no “flaw” as there’s no “one true symbolic rhetorical argument” to rule them all. Suggesting there’s a flaw implies there is.

Re: 'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland

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Post by salawat »

hypeatei wrote: post #86
tomohawk wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The law doesn't allow the operation of a motor vehicle if you're drunk or intoxicated. Why would the law allow the use of this device in those circumstances. Without too much thinking, there are plenty of reasons there many be legal restriction on this. Keep in mind that alcohol is involved in 40% or more of suicides. People usually think that they are acting with a sound mind, and in their own interests. Except that…

Operating car while drunk can physically maim someone or kill them. Committing suicide does not do that to someone else. I can acknowledge it may have an emotional effect on family/friends, but it isn't illegal to make someone sad or else breakups would be outlawed...

Divorce is a legally gayed thing.
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