Assisted suicide is already legal in a number of countries, and I think this is the logical next step. If you can operate the apparatus yourself, you don't leave the scar on someone else's consciousness. You could say that this only shifts the burden one step away, but I think that is enough — if you decide to take your own life, whatever your reasons, it shouldn't be up to someone else to do it for you.
'Suicide pod' is completely legal and approved for use in Switzerland
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#32> "I’ve always wanted to remove the role [and the] need for professional people to prescribe difficult drugs to use Yikes. It seems like you would want a barrier to entry when it comes to legal suicide...
Most methods of legal suicide today involve a doctor prescribing a cocktail known to kill a person and in many cases, they’re also administering it. It’s uncomfortable for them to effectively murder someone, even knowing that the recipient wishes for this to happen.
The pod here doesn’t need to mean that any psychiatric assessments are foregone, it just takes the doctors finger off the trigger (which is a good thing)
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#33Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.
The idea of "brought into the world" somehow establishes that we were somewhere before. What would that be?
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#34No obligatory "Soylent Green" reference? https://scifiinterfaces.com/2022/09/13/thanatorium-the-patie...
the pod could also incorporate hydrolysis, person goes in and
"The result is a quantity of green-brown tinted liquid (containing amino acids, peptides, sugars and salts) and soft, porous white bone remains (calcium phosphate) easily crushed in the hand (although a cremulator is more commonly used) to form a white-colored dust."
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#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
More realistically chronically ill, mentally ill, and disabled people will be increasingly pressured into this "alternative" by the medical and welfare systems, as is already happening in canada. Exactly as predicted years ago by disabled people, exactly as dismissed then as a slippery slope. It's not a fallacy when there's prior art!
I'm curious to learn more. Do you have any references re. Canada?
I'm not going to link to specific articles or examples because people will meticulously comb the ones I choose to dismiss them individually, when the real issue is about systems and incentives on a broader scale.
The program is called "medical assistance in dying" commonly referred to as MAID. A lot has been written about it the last few years. As you look, I highly recommend prioritizing the words of disabled and chronically ill writers, over those of their families and other supporters of it. It's a complex issue but IMO the only correct way to approach it is focused on the people most likely to make use of it.
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#36Suicide should NOT be as stigmatized as it currently is in modern society. Everyone was brought into this world without their permission, they should be able to leave it in a safe and reliable way too.
That's one view. The Hindu view is that we all chose to be born and most suicide has very negative consequences. The one exception is Prayopavesa.
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#37I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light saying “please drink responsibly”. The entire point of this invention seems to be to lower the barrier to entry to suicide, so a statement discouraging suicide seems to me a strange thing to follow with.
The article that loads under it for me is about a Golden Gate Bridge jump survivor who immediately regretted their decision.
> Hines climbed on to the Golden Gate Bridge after feeling 'the most horrid, emotional, turmoil' he'd ever experienced, and has remembered since feeling 'compelled' to die until the moment he leapt from the railing.
> "I thought it was too late. I said to myself, 'What have I done, I don't want to die'," Hines later said. "I realised I made the greatest mistake of my life."
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#38Finally, can't wait to the time they will legalize suicide centers with these pods where everyone, without any reason at all other than wanting it, can easily, quickly, reliably and euphorically end this non-sense called life.
People with dependents are one case that comes to mind when considering why this might not be a great idea. Elderly people with no dependents are one example I can think of why this might not be the worst thing in the world. But in general I tend to agree that there should be some means to humanely end ones own life that doesn't automatically presume insanity. I think there's probably a reasonable middle ground to be…
I believe, if one feels they've done everything they wanted to do and are happy to leave this world, there should be an easy way out. These individuals shouldn't be obligated to justify their decision to society or anyone else, as it is a deeply personal matter.
I'm happy to go: I've experienced everything I wanted to. The longer I exist, the more living is becoming a burden to me.
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#39I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light saying “please drink responsibly”. The entire point of this invention seems to be to lower the barrier to entry to suicide, so a statement discouraging suicide seems to me a strange thing to follow with.
Yes but no.
There are people who have no other options left except enduring the pain and deteriating life conditions for some, sometimes a long, months or even years, time.
And there are people who, by their circumstances, think what there are no options for them left.
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#40I think it’s funny that this page has a “If you or someone you know is struggling or in mental health crisis …” blurb at the bottom. This is like Bud Light saying “please drink responsibly”. The entire point of this invention seems to be to lower the barrier to entry to suicide, so a statement discouraging suicide seems to me a strange thing to follow with.
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