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Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by bjw4 »

sho wrote: post #17

They're not pushing anywhere near hard enough. I don't even really want to play new games, I'd settle for just being able to play old games. It's funny the article mentioned Halo - I can't play that on my M1 Max at all, even though I own the mac version. It could probably emulate it fast enough. Hell, it could probably emulate the windows version fast enough. But nope, it doesn't work and I'm not willing to jump thro…

Have you tried Apple Porting Toolkit? It’s able to get most of my Steam library working well (Cyberpunk and Halo for example). There is an app called Whisky that removes the hoops.

https://getwhisky.app/

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by ursakhiin »

musicale wrote: post #16
ursakhiin wrote: post #10

There's a lot of false information even in the premise of that introduction. Jobs didn't announce Halo as an Apple exclusive, he announced a simultaneous release with Windows. Microsoft didn't poach Bungie. Bungie was failing financially before the acquisition and Halo wasn't anywhere near complete at the time. Microsoft saved Halo. If the premise is that flawed, I'm skeptical of the rest of the piece.

I'm not sure that what you are saying is incompatible with what is written in the article. Note that "stole" is in quotes. Delaying Halo for the Mac deflated Jobs' claim that gaming was coming back to the Mac platform.

I'm not saying they believe that Microsoft stole Halo. Their premise is that Halo would have been a success launching on Apple. That Bungie, with Halo, single handedly caused the success of the XBox. And that it alone could have caused Mac OS to become a gaming juggernaut. When in reality, Bungie desperately needed help and Microsoft recognized the value of launching Halo on the XBox. That symbiosis was needed for the success of both things.

The incompatibility is that the author clearly doesn't understand why the Halo succeeded. Microsoft has historically bolstered game and hardware developers in a way Apple has never been willing to. Their purchase of Bungie is only one example of that.

Apple would not have provided any of the support in the partnership that Bungie needed to complete the game. Their alternate universe is flawed because without the purchase of Bungie there is no Halo.

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by iwontberude »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #20

What timing. Somebody at Apple needs to buy a PS5 and spend 10 minutes with the dualSense controller in ASTRO's playroom. Mac and PC won't ever get the full dualSense experience and that means they're outmoded. Sony found a way to make everything without dualSense feel old and obsolete, including their entire back catalog of games from the PS1 to the PS4.

I own a PS5 with Dual Sense and it's pretty much the same as any controller I have used. I prefer the SCUF Xbox controller on Windows.

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by wtallis »

shzhdbi09gv8ioi wrote: post #14
watersb wrote: post #2

I love my MacBook Air M1; it's small and lightweight and simple, no moving parts, no dust, and it's fast enough for me. But it clearly lags in 3D gaming performance; the silicon just isn't there to the same degree. It might compete with low-TDP SoC graphics such as AMD's APUs, but it's not a gaming device. (...and now I resume reading the article...)

I'm pretty sure a Steam Deck or say a Switch is lesser hardware than a M1, yet they seem to pull it off.

There's more than a 4x difference in pixel count between those handhelds and a M1 Air. The Switch and Steam Deck simply have far less rendering work to do.

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by exabrial »

Apocryphon wrote: post #9
exabrial wrote: post #7

It'll never happen. Gaming depends heavily on backwards compatibility... something that makes Apple employees shriek and run in terror.

It’s insane they don’t have a compatibility layer for 32-bit macOS apps, so many games were never ever ported to 64-bit.

Precisely. No small studio has time to write a whole 3d engine when all they really need is a few plot authors and graphic designers.

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by hnfong »

bjw4 wrote: post #21
sho wrote: post #17

They're not pushing anywhere near hard enough. I don't even really want to play new games, I'd settle for just being able to play old games. It's funny the article mentioned Halo - I can't play that on my M1 Max at all, even though I own the mac version. It could probably emulate it fast enough. Hell, it could probably emulate the windows version fast enough. But nope, it doesn't work and I'm not willing to jump thro…

Have you tried Apple Porting Toolkit? It’s able to get most of my Steam library working well (Cyberpunk and Halo for example). There is an app called Whisky that removes the hoops. https://getwhisky.app/

FWIW Crossover has also integrated Apple Porting Toolkit: https://www.codeweavers.com/blog/mjohnson/2023/9/27/crossove...

Re: Apple's Push to Transform the Mac into a Gaming Paradise

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Post by goosedragons »

ursakhiin wrote: post #22
musicale wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that what you are saying is incompatible with what is written in the article. Note that "stole" is in quotes. Delaying Halo for the Mac deflated Jobs' claim that gaming was coming back to the Mac platform.

I'm not saying they believe that Microsoft stole Halo. Their premise is that Halo would have been a success launching on Apple. That Bungie, with Halo, single handedly caused the success of the XBox. And that it alone could have caused Mac OS to become a gaming juggernaut. When in reality, Bungie desperately needed help and Microsoft recognized the value of launching Halo on the XBox. That symbiosis was needed for th…

Halo was going to be on PC too. It would have done very little to help Mac OS anyways.
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