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Most immigration to the U.S. is through "family reunification".
Or wealthier people sending their offsprings to US colleges or universities and from there funneling into the job market I guess.
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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
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> a US citizen from the Midwest not getting it No offense, but maybe your resume didn't reflect that you had the skills required. The companies I worked at and now portfolio companies of mine pay Bay Area market rate to both citizens and non-citizens. We hire noncitizens because we didn't find the right talent we need.
This is another dishonest talking point. With most tech jobs if a person has a computer science background they have the skills. The company is just lying to justify outsourcing.
Getting a degree simply indicates to the market that you have the ability to learn and the mental building blocks to start learning the ropes.
Until you do it, you don’t know how to do it. In other words, juniors fumble around and make lots of mistakes - that’s how they get good.
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#403Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Because of bad experiences like immigration, the US has been losing influence as foreign decision makers soured on the US due to crap treatment. So what?
Well, the elite in formerly pro-American countries like Thailand, Turkey, Malaysia, Indonesia, and Brazil start turning to competitors like China or Russia, or deciding to go it on their own. Countries like India or Vietnam only began starting to warm to the US because of the diaspora. If the diaspora gets treated like shit, anti-Americanism begins to breed. A similar thing happened in China in the 2010s.
I see you omitted Pak from this list. Was it an exclusive list?
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#404Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really? 1. Is that why they give special virtually uncapped visa classes to Australia, Singapore, Canada and Chile while everyone else has to deal with h1B? 2. Do you think there are country based limits when admitting people through the southern border or granting refugee status?
Australians, Chileans and Singaporeans are eligible for a class of work visa that basically has no cap (or cap has never been reached). They don't have the complete with the unwashed masses who have to deal with H1B.
Was this not the thank you from GW Bush to Australia for support in Iraq? Were you able to avail yourself of this visa?
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I think the immigrant with three kids from Venezuela is probably easier to integrate in a way than a skilled immigrant who was typically an elite back home. I think the latter folks are more likely to bring their culture with them and try to change America.
You're right actually. Have you seen how many Australian coffee shops there are in New York? Crikey! Changing America one cup of flat white at a time. Tough work.
Let’s not even start on Australian sushi places.
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#406Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is a policy problem. Opening up more immigration makes that problem worse, not better. It should be a question that everyone asks: why do US Universities not create an adequate supply of workers to meet the demand of the market? No one seems to care and the solution is always “just do more immigration”. Makes no sense.
I worked on the policy side before I entered tech. You can't "command economy" human capital. It just doesn't work. Upskilling has a 5-10 year long lag time. Immigration is the only reason America hasn't stumbled like Europe, Japan, or Korea demographically.
>Upskilling has a 5-10 year long lag time.
So what? Again, this is a pipeline problem, that can be influenced and addressed via policy. I'm not trying to "command economy" anything. It's a problem that companies, and increasingly universities, don't think that it's a huge issue there not being enough home-grown citizens to fill these roles (a claim I find to be dubious at best). That is definitely something that policy can be used to fix.
>Immigration is the only reason America hasn't stumbled like Europe, Japan, or Korea demographically.
I don't know what this is supposed to mean. You want some demographic growth target to be hit? Europe has many countries in it, but mentioning Japan and Korea implies you have noticed the birth rates there. Well, I think the wrong question is being asked in that situation as well. If people aren't having babies, why? What changed? What policy options are there to fix that problem?
Thinking that "just import a new workforce" fixes that is extremely weird to me, especially when they are coming from places that are not exactly culturally proximate to the places they are going, to say the least.
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It's a great deal for them. It's not the best deal for us, though, since they're not part of our tax base, nor are they growing families and social networks here for us to benefit from. It's a great outcome morally (Latam, African, and Asian countries deserve greater participation in global industries), but the one thing it doesn't do is optimize for the interests of America.
>It's not the best deal for us, though, since they're not part of our tax base, nor are they growing families and social networks here for us to benefit from. It's a fantastic deal for us because they're not immigrating here and therefore driving prices of housing, social services, etc. to the unsustainable levels we're seeing now. Outsourcing over the past decades has been a huge boon for the US. They're generating…
Housing prices aren't unsustainable in the US; they are in a tiny subset of hotspots that elite buyers want to move into. The people we're talking about importing are the least fixated on buying in those particular markets.
Housing prices are a big problem, but the fix isn't depopulation; it's fixing zoning and building rules.
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#408Earlier quoted context omitted.
> neither side really cared because immigrants (legal or illegal) can't vote. This really is the alpha and omega of migration policies all around the world: the people affected don't have a say, and the people not affected use the issues to play hateful games.
I don’t think that’s fair. If I could cross a border to earn $5M a year, I wouldn’t call the locals hateful for coming up with ways to protect their own livelihoods, and I wouldn’t feel entitled to a say.
This argument assumes that economics is a zero sum game which is easily disproven by history.
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What were your circumstances for denial?
Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers
#410Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think that’s fair. If I could cross a border to earn $5M a year, I wouldn’t call the locals hateful for coming up with ways to protect their own livelihoods, and I wouldn’t feel entitled to a say.
This argument assumes that economics is a zero sum game which is easily disproven by history.
there is more to life than economics