Amazon is totally jam packed with scams, it's actually pretty shocking.
Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
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Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#282Don't buy anything from Amazon that you would put in your mouth, supplements, food, toothpaste, mouthwash, anything! I'm even wondering if to do the same for things applied to body as well, my wife recently bought a hair cream because from Amazon because she couldn't find it in stores. It was obvious the one from Amazon was not real when compared with the remaining ones she had. Package was perfect, but the color/tex…
Well, some stuff you can buy only online.
Anecdote: I tried to market my own dietary supplements in the US for a while. Unfortunately I am poor in marketing but many customers loved it. I bought all the ingredients from a supplier, had it mixed in California and shipped to a company that can package it. For a slight taste I needed a tiny amount of sucralose. Did not want to buy a huge amount. So I ordered it on eBay. I asked the guy to send me a CoA and he did. It said Manufacturere Spectrum and Food grade. Unfortunately I knew that Spectrum was not selling this as food grade. Sure the guy could have made his own tests but how likely is this? I just trashed it and bought it somewhere else. Should have used Stevia anyway.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#283The supplements in the letter say they contain the active ingredients found in many ED medications... This has been going on for years with those over the counter gas station products as well. The demand for these products is clearly big enough, and dozens of other countries sell these ED medications OTC at pharmacies. Maybe it's time the FDA approve those drugs for sale OTC and curb the madness.
If you did that you’d end up with a lot of deaths. These vasodilators are contraindicated for a wide variety of heart/health issues as well as other prescriptions.
Cull the herd.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#284Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. No they don't. If a product has a label that says "this product is considered unsafe by the Food and Drug Administration" and explains why and you buy it anyway, you got what you paid for.
Unfortunately all this would result in is everything being labeled unsafe. See California and cancer.
Label the things unsafe that are currently banned. Not everything is currently banned, is it?
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#285Earlier quoted context omitted.
Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.
"A business should only be permitted to exist if the government allows it." What could go wrong?
That’s a bit of a stretch. You’re not allowed to start a business selling cocaine.
You’re not allow to start an airline without adhering to regulations.
You’re not allow to sell certain unapproved pharmaceuticals or medical devices.
This is a relatively narrow scope.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#286Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This isn't what anybody objects to about the FDA. "You have to list what's in the product" is a simple rule that every knows, is easy to comply with, and doesn't require any government interaction even in the case of a suspected violation because the FDA can just buy the product to test it and compare the la…
Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.
>>>> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold.
That's an odd take.
Where do these uncorruptible angels live ? Who are they? Who put them there?
Because we all know you are not corruptible, its always the other guy, right?
What about by rights , by the way ?
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#287Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately all this would result in is everything being labeled unsafe. See California and cancer.
Label the things unsafe that are currently banned. Not everything is currently banned, is it?
I don't think you've understood the, very valid arguement in my opinion, that everything would end up with an unsafe label. In the same way that almost everything you buy either may contain nuts or is made in a factory which might process nuts - a practise which provides exactly zero useful input for the people it's intended to protect.
Why would this happen for things which aren't currently banned? An abundance of caution - better to claim it's potentially unsafe than pay the claims later. Or economics - why pay more for a safe sweetener when you can use the cheap and cheerful one and just label it unsafe.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#288I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.
A regulatory agency was fine for a world with a finite number of trusted vendors working operating in the the agency jurisdiction. Reliable consumer owned/operated molecular characterization is needed for a future that moves faster and farther than an agency or regulation.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#289Earlier quoted context omitted.
>doesn’t require any government interaction Dude what? Government around the world are constantly catching corporations for lying on their product lists. As for controlled substances, on this topic is a completely fine line which I’d probably tend to agree is not treaded properly. There are risk trade offs to allowing open markets on classes of drugs. With that said, the massive propaganda campaigns corporations get…
Governments around the world are terrible at 'catching corporations for lying' in any way. There are manifold examples in every regulatory field, in every country. Examples include Wirecard, Theranos, Volkswagen, Johnson & Johnson talc, etc. In most cases, the regulators are handed the evidence, and take a long time to do anything about it. In my mind, the question is whether the massive regulatory burdens which prot…
The list of caught ones is immensely longer. It’s a cat and mouse game, it doesn’t really stop. Big pharma spends a lot of money on training the employees on how not to get caught. I worked 5 years in big pharma and it took me almost a year to understand why are the constantly repeating compliance and fair practice trainings. Giving examples how others failed, etc. Those were not there to tell you not to do it, but what to watch out for. And the sale targets and incentives are there to motivate you to cross the lines. I’m just grateful I was not in sales but application training.
Btw how is a government responsible for Theranos? There was never a product there, just promises burning VC money. Wirecard is more a failure of trusted independent auditors (one of the big 4) that failed to do a proper international audit.
Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients
#290I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.
> As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This isn't what anybody objects to about the FDA. "You have to list what's in the product" is a simple rule that every knows, is easy to comply with, and doesn't require any government interaction even in the case of a suspected violation because the FDA can just buy the product to test it and compare the la…
I disagree. I think the best generic argument against the FDA is that government isn’t very capable of doing the many things we want it to. I would love perfect security when it comes to foods, drugs and supplements but even with regulations a lot of bad stuff slips through. Imo, that’s a better argument than that the fda keeps us from having nice things. The fda fails to protect us because perfect security isn’t possible, and past a certain point it’s all diminishing returns if not actually counterproductive (consider the effects of prohibition).