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Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.

Well, on the flip side: the whole reason these are sold is that the FDA is preventing the substance from being sold OTC. This is not an example of a manufacturer putting something unwanted in the product. It's all just a wink-wink-nudge-nudge kind of a deal with willing buyers. It creates some risk of accidents, but I doubt there were any. I'm not sure the regulation here is great. As with Rx-only contraception, thes…

It's the job of a regulatory body to reduce risk.

If wrongly prescribed equipment can cause harm, it's very justifiable that a license scheme is put in place.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Nothing bought on Amazon should be consumed or applied topically or otherwise come into prolonged contact with your body. I learned this the hard way a few years back with some counterfeit shampoo that severely burned my scalp after a single use.

Here's my list of things I won't buy on Amazon.com: - Anything which goes in or on my body (foods, medicines, etc.). - Anything which is easily knocked off (SD cards, memory, SSDs, etc.) - Bed sheets (oddly enough, you'll often get lies on materials and fabric) - Thing I need reliably / reliably on-time (I cancelled Prime after several shipping issues) Since I cancelled Prime, things added to this list include: - Mos…

Agreed with your post – except on the “Kids pajamas” – they should probably be reclassified under the “Anything which goes in or on my body” list you made.

Whether it’s undisclosed flame retardants, toxic dyes, or other harmful substances, kids bodies are generally more susceptible to harm via environmental pollutants. Such harms may not be at all obvious in the short term, but could still be very harmful over the long-term.

I wish I knew of a vastly superior option (ie, safer option) for buying kids or baby clothes. (Anyone have suggestions on this?)

That said, I believe Amazon is probably at the riskier end of this spectrum vs.traditional stores because of their distributor-centric structure.

Basically, if a harmful product were to receive any negative press, it would more easily be equated with a single company/seller from another country, and probably one with an odd-sounding name.

With a more traditional brick and mortar store, the product may be sourced from the exact same producer, but the reputation hit will be greater to the brick and mortar store, because the customer tends to equate the product more closely with the the store itself. Often, they present themselves to the public as the “seller” of the product whereas Amazon will more give the presentation of “distributor” on behalf of “(_insert_generic_inscrutably-named_foreign_corporation_name)”. Fly-by-night seems an apt description for these companies most the time.

This seemingly reduced level of accountability is the biggest problem I have with trusting them but it’s not the only one; it’s just compounded by the often fraudulent reviews, their practice of taking down authentic but critical reviews, and of selling counterfeits – even occasionally when one orders via a “Prime” option, or fulfilled by Amazon, or seemingly buys an item directly via the manufacturer’s Amazon ‘store’.

Of course there are many other issues as well but these are a few that have created headaches for me in the past to the point that I now avoid them for most purchases.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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The solution is to stop allowing third party sellers. The idea that any random person can get an Amazon seller account and scam their way into being approved for certain categories and just send in anything as long as it has a label is insane (it’s incredibly easy to forge the invoices they request). There’s zero control at Amazon, they frequently put returned products back into new inventory as well which makes buyi…

There are a lot of undesirable side effects with that solution. You shouldn't have to be tech savvy enough to host a shopping experience that's competitive with Amazon in order to sell things online. You ought to be able to focus solely on your product and if it's a good one you ought to be able to compete with Amazon Basics on a level playing field--even if it's a field served by Amazon metal. I think we need more s…

Can Amazon even run FBA without comingling? This is the root of the problem; tracing an individual item back to the seller is apparently not possible, so seller reputation doesn't really exist. So either it's not a big enough problem for Amazon to kill comingling, or it's not profitable to do so at Amazon's scale.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. Why? If someone buys deadly nightshade, and gets deadly nightshade, why should the government care?

I mean, can't you take this to the extreme and see why it is a bad point of view. Anything is sell-able as long as we slap a warning label on it. That seems like a recipe for disaster, right? We sold a highly radioactive substance to Jim, and endanger more than Jim.

Consequences are often far beyond the individual, and I think folks believe they're too smart to get caught in the fallout of someone else's decisions. Oops, Karen from HR brought in deadly nightshade muffins to share ("small amounts are said to be good for the liver, I heard it on my favorite podcast!").

There's a middle ground here, where if it's dangerous enough, we don't allow it to be sold. It's not one way or the other. That's dangerous thinking in and of itself.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. Why? If someone buys deadly nightshade, and gets deadly nightshade, why should the government care?

I'm assuming you agree the FDA shouldn't allow somebody to sell deadly nightshade to somebody that doesn't know that nightshade is deadly, but then how do you tell the person that knows the nightshade is deadly apart from the person that doesn't know that the nightshade is deadly?

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. Why? If someone buys deadly nightshade, and gets deadly nightshade, why should the government care?

Is the product's seller paying for the "recipient's" ER visit, hospitalization, autopsy, or any other possible externalities of the purchase?

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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More and more Amazon just seems like a "you're on your own" scam site. I can't figure out what I'm getting anymore. Half the listings are sponsored ads when I search. I searched for "Lego" this past Christmas and on the first page I got a bunch of products that were in what looked just like Lego boxes with Lego fonts and numbering ... but were not made by Lego and were clearly made to deceive. I noticed some items I…

Your comment made me realize that the gap between Amazon and eBay has been steadily shrinking for years now. And it’s not because eBay is getting better, that’s for sure.

The gap has been widening for years. Because Amazon keeps getting worse.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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The supplements in the letter say they contain the active ingredients found in many ED medications... This has been going on for years with those over the counter gas station products as well. The demand for these products is clearly big enough, and dozens of other countries sell these ED medications OTC at pharmacies. Maybe it's time the FDA approve those drugs for sale OTC and curb the madness.

If you did that you’d end up with a lot of deaths. These vasodilators are contraindicated for a wide variety of heart/health issues as well as other prescriptions.

Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having things unnecessarily banned is a trade off of enforcing regulations effectively. Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. The FDA could do better but you’ll never fix that problem unless you don’t allow the FDA to enforce regulations.

> Someone has to decide what substances safe and prevent them from sold. No they don't. If a product has a label that says "this product is considered unsafe by the Food and Drug Administration" and explains why and you buy it anyway, you got what you paid for.

Unfortunately all this would result in is everything being labeled unsafe.

See California and cancer.

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