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Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Because we don’t want an unlimited number of foreigners moving into the country? Like it or not that’s the reason Congress won’t touch the issue, right?

Please check the requirements for each of the "national interest waivers" and tell me how many "unlimited foreigners" meet that requirement.

TIL: https://www.uscis.gov/working-in-the-united-states/permanent...

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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I have no idea what these have to do with the matter being discussed here. We're talking about legal immigration and cap applied to visa/green card. What is "virtually uncapped"? Do you have a source explaining how Australia, Singapore, Canada and Chile are treated differently? And as an FYI, I see no problem with Canada having a special regime.

https://www.jackson-hertogs.com/us-immigration/temporary-wor... BTW Mexico gets the same special regime as Canada under NAFTA.

Thanks for the link. After reading a bit about H1B1 it looks like 1. It is included in the H1B cap, ergo it is de facto capped 2. It is actually capped as a portion of the available H1B.

No clue what parent meant by virtually uncapped.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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That seems like a win-win. Hopefully remote work will reduce the need for immigration.

You're getting down voted for this heterodox opinion. Flooding the West with foreigners is orthodoxy to the left. Any other opinion is heresy.

I think it's more nuanced than this. The left believes in immigration based on the amount of hardship / suffering endured by the immigrant. The more the suffering, the more deserving they are of being let in.

The right believes in either no immigration or immigration based on an impossibly high bar with caps preventing immigration from undesirable origins.

My view is that in the long run immigration policy simply does not matter because we will have figured out how to educate, recruit, train, and exploit the high quality remote labor from any country. The most talented folks around the world will find a way to reap the rewards of the American economy either by residing within the US or doing it from afar. The after tax wage spread is margin that can be exploited.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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post #270

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I have no idea what these have to do with the matter being discussed here. We're talking about legal immigration and cap applied to visa/green card. What is "virtually uncapped"? Do you have a source explaining how Australia, Singapore, Canada and Chile are treated differently? And as an FYI, I see no problem with Canada having a special regime.

https://www.jackson-hertogs.com/us-immigration/temporary-wor... BTW Mexico gets the same special regime as Canada under NAFTA.

"Provides 1,400 visas annually for Chileans and 5,400 visas annually for Singaporeans, counted separately from the H-1B visa cap"

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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My employer cannot hire H1Bs. They are prohibited by law. All employees must be US citizens. They pay extremely competitive rates. They are the reason for and a source of complaints regarding gentrification in my area. edit: as an example the starting rate for high school work-study and college interns is the hourly equivalent of $78k/yr plus the same benefits as full-time employees from the second they show up. The…

Sounds like a NewSpace company... but not SpaceX.

Nope. You can (and will) take a lot of work home in the space industry. And remote work is definitely allowed.

This is most likely an intelligence/defense agency or contractor, working in secure environments where you can't take work stuff in or out.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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People on here don't seem to realize what an amazing asset it is that the US has a large pool of talented people that want to move there. I am from Europe and HN folks really like to look down on the European tech sector, but I would argue that the most important reason the US has a much stronger tech sector is because of the talent pool from around the world. Moving to Europe is a lot less interesting for people from around the world because of the language barrier. Honestly, for the EU it would be a gift from heaven if the US closed it's border to this talent pool and left it up for grabs.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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https://www.jackson-hertogs.com/us-immigration/temporary-wor... BTW Mexico gets the same special regime as Canada under NAFTA.

"Provides 1,400 visas annually for Chileans and 5,400 visas annually for Singaporeans, counted separately from the H-1B visa cap"

"Of the 65,000 visas allocated to the capped H-1B visa program, the amount of 6,800 are reserved for use for the H-1B1: 1,400 for Chile and 5,400 for Singapore."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B1_visa

Counted separately but included in the overall cap.

Another interesting difference is that H1B1 seems to not be dual intent, contrary to H1B. Definitely not the panacea that was hinted at in this thread.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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Yes it is. Every foreign employee getting that tech job is a US citizen from the Midwest not getting it. Fuck this dishonest talking point, I know people coding since high school working at Toyota plants while people from overseas with entry level skill sets have employers move them to the west coast and land jobs (for whatever reason.) It’s favoritism, it’s cronyism, it’s a nation putting its own struggling people l…

Exactly! The companies often prefer the people on H1B visas because the workers have to be much more subservient or risk being deported and they have leverage to pay them at the lower end of the salary range for the position/level.

Yep. This is the TCS consulting business model.

Interestingly, the meat ag and farming employs (no pun intended) similar tactics with undocumented people working in near-or-de facto slavery conditions that are very dangerous. The major meat processing plants in the US advertise salaries in Mexican and Central American newspapers to encourage migration. And, the US immigration system is a Kafkaesque, Byzantine, understaffed nightmare purposefully to keep official immigration meeting socio-political objectives of appearing selective. In truth, it facilitates megacorps importing large numbers of foreign knowledge workers through official channels while criminalizing and marginalizing undocumented people to be under the thumbs of other megacorps monetizing unpleasant work society inconveniently needs to function.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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post #237

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Dog whistle for what? Calling for deportation? The comment is literally just “we can’t take every immigrant.” What other position is there?

You should not take every immigrant. Take immigrants who bring their skills and productivity to you. Don't make their lives difficult with unnecessary hoops to jump through. Skilled immigration is not asylum or illegal immigration.

Well they are taking 100s of thousands immigrants as they see reasonable. What is problem with following established rules and timelines? Immigrants would surely be aware of those before even thinking of immigration.

Besides if Europe / Australia / Canada have much simpler immigration why would any skilled/productive prospective immigrant would even think of US.

Re: New U.S. immigration rules spur more visa approvals for STEM workers

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For those confused: Unfortunately, the US focuses on your origin (where you were born) rather than your nationality. alisahik is an Australian citizen, but was not born there. My guess is he was born in India, which has an absurdly long queue in the US immigration process. Really sucks.

That's a feature, not a bug. Otherwise you could find X country that is loose with citizenship requirements and get around the US' per-country limit.

Good. There should be no limit.
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