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Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Re: Amazon receives FDA warning letter for supplements with undeclared ingredients

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Post by 1920musicman »

kayodelycaon wrote: post #2

I’m glad the conclusion says the products lists are not the only ones to which this letter applies. Otherwise Amazon could just remove the products mentioned and make the FDA play wack-a-mole. As a side note, this letter is exactly why I think a regulatory agency like the FDA is absolutely necessary. This stuff can kill people and it is impossible for the average person to protect themselves.

I searched for all products mentioned in the letter - they are all gone. Amazon is quick to react to such public letters to pretend that they are a responsible company.

Saying that, the search returns hundreds of other supplements in the same category, with similar nonsensical names. They are certainly attempting to play wack-a-mole.

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Post by gruez »

tacheiordache wrote: post #46
deeth_starr_v wrote: post #28

It’s been common knowledge that any Chinese ED supplement on Amazon that is effective has Viagra in it. This is not a bug but a feature

> It’s been common knowledge that any Chinese ED supplement on Amazon that is effective has Viagra in it. This is not a bug but a feature And who knows what else!!! I'd never ingest anything that has Chinese provenance. Chinese garlic comes to mind as the latest thing to try to avoid. Not sure if true but it seems to be grown in sewage. I'd rather be safe and avoid that altogether.

>Not sure if true but it seems to be grown in sewage.

If that's your concern, you shouldn't be worried about just China. It's done in America as well.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/04/10/176822392/ci...

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Post by MarCylinder »

TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

Chelated supplements are, generally, more bioavailable than their oxidized counterparts because they are bound to nutrients for which you have transporters. Like amino acids, for instance.

Supplements are absolutely regulated. To say otherwise is just ignorant of the law. Those regulations are not well enforced. That is the fault of the US justice department and Congress. The FDA is under-equipped in the way of funding to enforce regulations. And they're dependent on the justice department to actually follow through on enforcement. The justice department is only really interested in enforcement action where harm has occurred.

Amazon can do better, but why are we exclusively placing the onus on them to enforce federal law? Why is the FDA not going after the brands making and selling this shit?

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Post by schemescape »

bradfa wrote: post #111
dec0dedab0de wrote: post #43

I don’t think Amazon should have any protections for being a marketplace. Especially since we all found out about co-mingling, and how reviews are transferable between vendors and sometimes between products. They should be liable for any damages caused by these drugs, as well as patent/copyright/trademark infringement for any counterfeit products. I don’t feel the same for ebay, reverb, or facebook. I’m not sure wher…

At least Walmart lets you easily filter search results for only things sold by Walmart itself. That makes it fine by me to be both a seller and marketplace. Amazon does not make such filtering easy at all.

Anecdote: I filtered to “sold by Walmart” (I forget the exact terminology, but customer support confirmed it was not from a marketplace seller), but the item I received had an Amazon return label and was shipped from an Amazon warehouse.

That was the last time I bought from Walmart in an attempt to avoid Amazon’s shenanigans.

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Post by galangalalgol »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #61
bilbo0s wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you've ever been with a startup that needed a 510k, you'd know that the FDA regularly monitors everyone for compliance. At least in my narrow domain of medical imaging and treatment planning devices they do. I'd be surprised if they didn't have similar mechanisms in place in every area of their 'jurisdiction'. It doesn't really hurt the Amazons, they're just distributors. Doesn't really even hurt me. If RTP is a p…

> It doesn't really hurt the Amazons, they're just distributors. I'm doing my first FDA-monitored automation project at a local brewery, and am quickly becoming familiar with the abundant controls that the FDA puts on domestic producers. But the FDA is an American organization. Amazon or Ebay or Aliexpress or whoever may be just distributors, but they're international distributors. They're fully-automated self-servic…

The FCC should be going after them too. A lot of the wireless stuff they sell isn't registered.

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Post by myaccountonhn »

mrweasel wrote: post #25
duxup wrote: post #18

More and more Amazon just seems like a "you're on your own" scam site. I can't figure out what I'm getting anymore. Half the listings are sponsored ads when I search. I searched for "Lego" this past Christmas and on the first page I got a bunch of products that were in what looked just like Lego boxes with Lego fonts and numbering ... but were not made by Lego and were clearly made to deceive. I noticed some items I…

The good thing about Amazon is that they've made it increasingly easy to stop buying from them. Finding the things you need is increasingly difficult and even if you find it, most of it seems like obvious scams. Amazon went from a bookstore to the "everything store" and back to being just a book store, because those are the only items you can reasonably find and trust to not be scams. It must be rather difficult to b…

I tried buying audiobooks from Amazon, the version I bought turned out to so obviously be an AI voice reading it.... Just an awful experience.

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Post by hammock »

TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

> Most supplements are garbage…

> My family spends a huge fortune on supplements, most of which are placebos

Unless you are just using “most” as a weasel word to hedge the chance that you might be wrong, using “most” would imply that you are aware of some supplements that aren’t frauds. Can you share them?

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Post by nick__m »

hammock wrote: post #147
TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

> most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Minerals and vitamins come from USP, which is tested and regulated and everyone in the industry gets the same quality (regardless of what they claim). It is what they say it is, if it’s USP. Where is gets sketchy quickly is all the other stuff, like plant extracts etc

USP is an old compendium, it is not an organization! it means United States Pharmacopeia, there is an organization that manages the trademark but they do not produce pharmaceutical, nor do they enforce quality, the enforcement is delegated to the FDA.

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Post by mrweasel »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #60
mrweasel wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The good thing about Amazon is that they've made it increasingly easy to stop buying from them. Finding the things you need is increasingly difficult and even if you find it, most of it seems like obvious scams. Amazon went from a bookstore to the "everything store" and back to being just a book store, because those are the only items you can reasonably find and trust to not be scams. It must be rather difficult to b…

Books cannot be trusted too. I have purchased books which have such cheap paper and bad print and cover that feels like someone makes them in their garage. It wasn’t worth the price.

Oh that sucks, I haven't experienced that... Yet.

I worked for a webshop years ago, they wanted to implement a "marketplace" and I advised against it, but they went forward anyway. A few years later I was contact by someone still working there, they had dropped the marketplace again. They simply could not deal with the amount of absolute shit sellers where shipping and it was damaging their brand. This is a store that was really selective about which products could be sold and what resellers was allowed and they still couldn't do it. So why isn't this damaging Amazons brand to the point of them limiting marketplace?

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Post by dec0dedab0de »

TaylorSwift wrote: post #86

Most supplements are garbage. Since they don't actually work, most people would never know if you replaced their magnesium or calcium supplement with chalk. Some supplements do work, but since they're not regulated, they're drowned out by nonsense and noise. OK, so you don't want to be a rube?...you do your research and then piece of shit fitness influencers tell you "ohh...that vitamin you bought form Walgreens or C…

Have you considered that your expectations of supplements not working have caused a reverse placebo effect?

I don’t take many supplements but they all work for their intended purpose.

creatine for muscle recovery and making me a tiny bit stronger

ZMA (zinc, magnesium, b6). for deeper sleep and overcoming multiday hangovers

melatonin for vivid dreams and waking up feeling more refreshed.

b12/d3 for energy

i don’t take them all every day, but they have consistently noticeable effects and have improved my quality of life.

i also just use the store brands from major retailers, and have low expectations.

More importantly when I was in my late thirties I also thought feeling shitty was just part of getting older, but it turned out I had cancer. talk to a doctor.

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