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NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by atleastoptimal »

15457345234 wrote: post #9
atleastoptimal wrote: post #7

It's obviously a frivolous suit that will only net at best a ceremonial victory for NYTimes: 8 figure max payout and a promise to not use NYtimes material in the future. The trajectory and value to society of OpenAI vs NYtimes could not be greater. They have won no favors in the court of public opinion with their frequent misinformation. It's all just a big waste of time, the last of the old guard flailing against th…

> They have won no favors in the court of public opinion with their frequent misinformation. You mean GPT here, right?

ChatGPT only advertises itself as a fancy autocomplete. There is a disclaimer that it may produce output that appears correct but isn't. NYtimes written material purports itself to be the truth, thus shouldn't be held to the same standards as a generative AI obviously.

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by sackfield »

Something I have wondered about LLMs and training data is the idea that the biggest content producers on the internet now have their world view and tone echoed disproportionately as part of the next big wave of technology. This is incredibly impactful (although admittedly I don't know how to turn that into a profit). Is there some long term impact of removing the New York Times from training data that means it won't be part of the LLMs corpus going forward that is unforeseen?

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by suby »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #5
biglyburrito wrote: post #2

TLDR: "The suit seeks nothing less than the erasure of both any GPT instances that the parties have trained using material from the Times, as well as the destruction of the datasets that were used for the training. It also asks for a permanent injunction to prevent similar conduct in the future. The Times also wants money, lots and lots of money: "statutory damages, compensatory damages, restitution, disgorgement, an…

Wow they want to kill it. I wonder if we've just lived through the golden Napster era of LLMs.

They may just want a licensing deal.

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by 23B1 »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #7

It's obviously a frivolous suit that will only net at best a ceremonial victory for NYTimes: 8 figure max payout and a promise to not use NYtimes material in the future. The trajectory and value to society of OpenAI vs NYtimes could not be greater. They have won no favors in the court of public opinion with their frequent misinformation. It's all just a big waste of time, the last of the old guard flailing against th…

Nobody is looking at this suit as applying to the Times exclusively – and neither will the courts.

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by 15457345234 »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #11
15457345234 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They have won no favors in the court of public opinion with their frequent misinformation. You mean GPT here, right?

ChatGPT only advertises itself as a fancy autocomplete. There is a disclaimer that it may produce output that appears correct but isn't. NYtimes written material purports itself to be the truth, thus shouldn't be held to the same standards as a generative AI obviously.

I think what we should focus on is the volume of misinformation in general, not the provenance of it.

The NYT may produce misinformation but it aims not to, and its staff of human writers are limited in the quantity that they can produce. They also publish corrections.

GPT enables anyone who can pay to generate a virtually unlimited volume of misinformation, launder it into 'articles' with fake bylines and saturate the internet with garbage.

I think we need to focus on the damage done.

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by atleastoptimal »

15457345234 wrote: post #16
atleastoptimal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT only advertises itself as a fancy autocomplete. There is a disclaimer that it may produce output that appears correct but isn't. NYtimes written material purports itself to be the truth, thus shouldn't be held to the same standards as a generative AI obviously.

I think what we should focus on is the volume of misinformation in general, not the provenance of it. The NYT may produce misinformation but it aims not to, and its staff of human writers are limited in the quantity that they can produce. They also publish corrections. GPT enables anyone who can pay to generate a virtually unlimited volume of misinformation, launder it into 'articles' with fake bylines and saturate t…

Well that's true for any large language model. As long as they exist there will be a deluge of bot written text producible for any purpose. At this point there is no getting the cat back into the bag.

In that case the bigger danger is Open source LLM's. OpenAI at least monitors the use of their endpoints for obvious harm.

Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by decremental »

15457345234 wrote: post #16
atleastoptimal wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ChatGPT only advertises itself as a fancy autocomplete. There is a disclaimer that it may produce output that appears correct but isn't. NYtimes written material purports itself to be the truth, thus shouldn't be held to the same standards as a generative AI obviously.

I think what we should focus on is the volume of misinformation in general, not the provenance of it. The NYT may produce misinformation but it aims not to, and its staff of human writers are limited in the quantity that they can produce. They also publish corrections. GPT enables anyone who can pay to generate a virtually unlimited volume of misinformation, launder it into 'articles' with fake bylines and saturate t…

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Re: NY Times copyright suit wants OpenAI to delete all GPT instances

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Post by chongli »

biglyburrito wrote: post #2

TLDR: "The suit seeks nothing less than the erasure of both any GPT instances that the parties have trained using material from the Times, as well as the destruction of the datasets that were used for the training. It also asks for a permanent injunction to prevent similar conduct in the future. The Times also wants money, lots and lots of money: "statutory damages, compensatory damages, restitution, disgorgement, an…

This is what lawyers are paid for. They ask for the max because there’s no harm in doing so. Everyone knows there’s little meaning to that.
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