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Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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I think learned helplessness is a real problem. We have friends in their late 30's and early 40's who still live with multiple roommates. They're "well educated" but can't seem to hold a job, or stay in a relationship, or pay for anything. They've got subscriptions ticking away that they didn't remember they had, and then they're shocked to learn about an overdraft fee or a big credit card bill. One of them recently…

So now what? Now that you realize that the majority of people are not high performers, which is totally fine by the way, what are you gonna do? No amount of neglect, shame, coercion or otherwise is going to change that. People aren’t dumb (I mean some are) they are reasonably hopeless. And that’s perfectly OK, so what are you gonna do about that? I hear lots of people say we need fewer people or those people just did…

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Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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I think learned helplessness is a real problem. We have friends in their late 30's and early 40's who still live with multiple roommates. They're "well educated" but can't seem to hold a job, or stay in a relationship, or pay for anything. They've got subscriptions ticking away that they didn't remember they had, and then they're shocked to learn about an overdraft fee or a big credit card bill. One of them recently…

Every single part of this is a red flag for the "failure to launch" crowd. Welcome to professional victimhood.

> They got a master's degree but didn't learn anything about how interest works?

I don't know where and when it started, but the advanced degree is the cherry on top-- people with no need for them seeking advanced degrees to delay adulthood another four years. They rarely have jobs in the interim, because someone else is footing the bill.

> But they do nothing quickly, it's like their neurons don't fire. They'll spend 30 minutes in a dazed state trying to figure out how to arrange groceries in a single bag.

Nah, their neurons are firing. They got a Master's, remember? Or are advanced degrees actually that worthless that we give them out to people this braindead?

They're quick to respond to "triggers," and very quick to point out anything you do that could be problematic to someone in a remote region of Laos. They don't miss a fucking beat to detect transgressions of others.

Bagging groceries isn't as exciting as scrolling Instagram, so they put as little effort into it as possible. If they get fired, they get unemployment, or can try to make a discrimination claim for someone not respecting which pronouns they were wearing on Tuesday.

You'll find these types on /r/illnessfakers and /r/maliciouscompliance deliberately sabotaging anything they're expected to do for themselves so they can throw themselves into their safety net (usually parents, other times e-begging).

Provocation and lying by omission (crybullying) is the name of the game. See also the "parents threw me out for being gay" crowd. Never get involved until you've dragged the kid back to their house (they will fight and resist, hard, alleging violence, but you as a witness should only help their case, right?)-- you'll often find their room intact and worried parents waiting for their return. Anyone who legitimately hates their kids will throw them and every memory of them out into the street, like dogshit-- and be quite transparent about why. That's what hatred looks like.

The precursor will have been being asked to stop bringing up the subjects of enemas and anal prolapse at the dinner table, at which point they cried oppression and ran away.

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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You're blaming the symptom instead of the problem. Given the current state of affairs, OP is doing the 'most logical' thing. If he sells his rental property, someone else will pick it up and rent it out. The real problems are the rules that make it very difficult (practically impossible) to build high-density housing where it is needed and tax incentives that benefit owning multiple homes.

Being part of the problem is still being part of the problem. Agree that there needs to be a reduction of incentives, but folks could just stop taking advantage of the current system too. Logical doesn't mean right.

If they don’t take advantage, someone else will. That’s the entire point of what you’re responding to. You are at best attempting an ethics argument but ethics doesn’t always win.

It’s a broken system but this is akin to telling people to solve global warming by making small individual choices: it doesn’t work and we need larger action at the top to force the change.

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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Might be an unpopular opinion, especially in North America, but I think families living together is a great thing. I have a wife and child, and we all live with my parents in a largish 6-bedroom house. They are retired and I support them financially. While they bought this house before I entered the workforce, I now pay the mortgage on this house. A few years ago we did a total rebuild of the house, and it's now a gr…

>largish

Its large. ~40% of homes are 3 bedrooms. ~5% of homes have 5 or more bedrooms.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/206393/distribution-of-h...

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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It sounds like Japan since the 90s, but without broad societal acceptance

I really hope hikikomori doesn't become normal

Hikikomori is just a word that’s specific to Japan. We certainly have the same thing here in the USA, we just treat the people differently.

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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post #106

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That's true, but jobs outside of metro areas are nearly non-existent, or pay peanuts. Moving out of a metro area typically puts you in, maybe, a bigger home, but the pay is drastically lower. Food costs, internet, phone, vehicle, etc all cost nearly the same (if not more expensive), so you're probably doing even worse moving out of a metro area.

Home ownership rates and price to income ratios are doing well in many states. https://www.fatherly.com/news/map-cheapest-state-buy-house https://ipropertymanagement.com/research/homeownership-rate-...

Beginning with the first setence on your first link: "Over the past several years, the housing market has become increasingly unaffordable to families. Mortgage rates have skyrocketed while wages have remained flat, and then sprinkle in supply shortages, the pandemic, and inflation."

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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post #14

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The ancient Imadeitup people.

Europe was like that. Your primary and only real social security was a familly. You had property, but not much savings. Kids were expected to provide for their parents in old age. Secondary was a village. It was like that in 19century too, I am not talking about some ancient history.

Parents were not in old age when kids were 18

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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Then you will see 1001 theories about why the population is declining. People in their 30's can't afford a house, let alone raising a family. A whole population inside a certain age group seems completely unable to grasp this basic reasoning.

Somehow it works fine literally anywhere else in the world. My parents, who were both engineers, had me when they were living in a 500sqft flat shared with my grandma. Then they moved out to a 700sqft flat and had my sister :)

Of course, people in their 30ies could easily afford a house pretty recently, too - before post-covid-printing spike (when the fertility was already low), price-to-income ratio was only slightly higher than it had been historically; before even accounting for increased sqft of the new houses.

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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You want us to believe any culture has a contingent of 18-year-olds out-earning their 40-something parents?

This is true if you're born in certain parts of India and then move to a big city for work.

But then they’re not moving in with parents…

Re: Nearly half of Americans age 18 to 29 are living with their parents

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That's what social security is for. And not being able to support parents is why we started social security in the first place.

The US Social Security surplus will be depleted in 2033 ( https://www.ssa.gov/OACT/TRSUM/index.html ), after which point Social Security will be paying back the same amount that people paid into it. People of my generation who are becoming parents now will receive few social security benefits over their lifetime. As the program currently exists, my generation is being robbed of money that we could invest ourselves.

We could just fix that
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