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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by k__ »

srott wrote: post #182
k__ wrote: post #3

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How come that the disease wasn't widespread earlier?

In Slovakia, another landlocked country with lack of natural iodine from rainfall or diet, dementia became part of the culture. 30% (!!!) of population suffered from dementia. Iodizing salt raised IQ by 10 point every 10~ years but the damage is irreparable…

In Slovakia dementia is on place 2 of the most common death causes. In Slovenia it's on place 19. Crazy.

Oh, and here in Germany it's on place 6?! Wouldn't have guessed!

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by ponector »

masklinn wrote: post #138
rmason wrote: post #106

My father told me that goitre's were quite common when he was growing up as a boy in Detroit in the 1920's. In my generation it was totally unknown. Yet I remember people affected by polio as a boy quite well. But I bet that millennials have no personal experience with it at all. Each generation moves forward and I can only hope there is a day when no one has any first hand experience with either cancer or Alzheimer'…

> But I bet that millennials have no personal experience with it at all. Mass vaccination started in the late 50s and especially early 60s (with Sabin’s oral vaccine). Millennials start in 1981, so they would / could well have known affected adults.

Considering current antivax movement, it is not unusual for people to get sick with polio, even some got paralyzed.

It is hard to understand for me how people can intentionally increase risks of deadly diseases for their children.

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Post by InCityDreams »

k33n wrote: post #74
hef19898 wrote: post #61

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In which regard? And please, please don't say masks...

Why don't you want me to say masks? That's probably the best example of a failed public health policy that was more about tribalism than science. Forcing restaurant owners to impose masking guidelines that did nothing to prevent disease or shut down was quite the failure. The public health "experts" also made very bold claims about the vaccine which turned out not to be true as well. Then there was the media (who cla…

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/re...

"THE PRESIDENT: Right. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that, by injection inside or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it would be interesting to check that. So, that, you’re going to have to use medical doctors with. But it sounds — it sounds interesting to me."

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by milsorgen »

the_mitsuhiko wrote: post #171
analog31 wrote: post #121

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They probably get plenty of iodine from packaged food since it doesn't all come from the same region any more.

Unclear but Germany is monitoring iodine intake and insufficiency is on the rise. https://www.klartext-nahrungsergaenzung.de/wissen/lebensmitt...

Iodized salt use is decreasing in the US as well. I take a lot of supplements and vitamins and I rarely see iodine as an ingredient so I have placed iodized salt next to my sea salt as I know I do not get enough iodine rich foods in my diet. It's easy to forget about and while I may take things like St Johns and Turmeric daily, I can live without them, iodine not so much.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by LambdaComplex »

dllthomas wrote: post #120
kergonath wrote: post #90

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Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for . There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

You forgot "sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids"

That's why I use ed, the standard text editor

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by riffraff »

jghn wrote: post #88
lostlogin wrote: post #39

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What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

I've 100% switched to kosher salt & various sea salts with my own cooking. Not because I'm anti-iodine, but because I like those salts better for cooking purposes. Given how much attention was paid to using kosher salt in cooking by people like Alton Brown over the last 20 years I would expect I'm far from an outlier.

Sea salt and kosher salt also come iodized, it's an independent feature.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by Taniwha »

romwell wrote: post #136
saturn_vk wrote: post #103

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The article states otherwise

>The article states otherwise No it doesn't. You're ignoring the context. You can't have too much iodine when it's obtained from iodized salt. ...because you can't handle that much salt. From the article: 10x'ing the concentration of iodine in salt had no adverse effects. You'd have to eat salt by the pound daily to reach levels where iodine is harmful, but at that point, that'll be the least of your worries.

I think that depends on the concentration of the iodine in the salt

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by b112 »

chasil wrote: post #156
analog31 wrote: post #121

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They probably get plenty of iodine from packaged food since it doesn't all come from the same region any more.

One interesting use of iodine supplementation is during nuclear accidents, where it is given to flood the thyroid and prevent unstable iodine isotopes from being taken up. "Iodine-131 (usually as iodide) is a component of nuclear fallout, and is particularly dangerous owing to the thyroid gland's propensity to concentrate ingested iodine and retain it for periods longer than this isotope's radiological half-life of e…

One interesting use of iodine supplementation is during nuclear accidents, where it is given to flood the thyroid and prevent unstable iodine isotopes from being taken up.

This is different than iodine added to salt, or iodine in liquid form for wounds. I believe it is potassium iodine.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by Taniwha »

tourmalinetaco wrote: post #100
kergonath wrote: post #90

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Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for . There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

There’s scientifically sound reasons for not wanting to drink fluorine, namely that the science is still out for whether it’s useful when used alongside regular topical applications. Not to mention excessive fluorine can stain or pit the teeth, and that it may even destroy nerve tissue. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazine/magazine_article/fluor...

The LD50 of fluoride in drinking water is actually lower than the LD50 of water itself - drink enough fluoridated water to die from fluoride poisoning and you'll die from water poisoning first
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