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The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by manymatter »

saturn_vk wrote: post #103
kergonath wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pretty much cannot have too much iodine. It is a good idea to use iodised salt in general. [edit] fair enough, I need to qualify that. You pretty much cannot get too much iodine with something that looks like a normal diet, and in any case iodised salt is not what push iodine levels over the top. And in a normal diets, iodine deficiency is much, much more likely than iodine overload.

The article states otherwise

Well, the article brings up iodine overdose from popular medications at the time, but you pretty much can't get too much iodine from iodized salt without having consumed way too much salt.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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k33n wrote: post #128
hef19898 wrote: post #99

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Masks were a case of bad communication, they absolutely do work. For others around you more than for yourself so. And vaccines worked wonders, everybody who got two, or three, shots allowed anti-vaxxers to not get theirs and not catch a hard Covid strain regardless of that decision. But please, tell me more about the "UV-based cleaning thearapy" and Monoclonal Antibody Therapy. Or, on second thought, don't. Edit: Mon…

> Masks were a case of bad communication By the "experts" who according to themselves and the media are extremely good at comms. Why are you so invested in defending these people? Just hatred of the other side? > Monoclonal Antibody therapy doesn't work with Covid > Monoclonal antibodies (mAbs) that target the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein have been shown to have clinical benefits in treating SARS-CoV-2 infection > these…

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by adrian_b »

kergonath wrote: post #90
lostlogin wrote: post #39

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What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for . There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by morsch »

oynqr wrote: post #112
morsch wrote: post #95

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The anti caking I commonly see in salt is potassium cyanide [ferrocyanide, actually, see below]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_ferrocyanide

That is not potassium cyanide.

Yes, sorry, shouldn't post in a hurry. I amended my post. I'm not worried about the stuff at all, I buy salt with it all the time. But it's not sand, that's all I wanted to say.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by Cockbrand »

naremu wrote: post #111
Cockbrand wrote: post #101

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Well, fluoridated water tastes really… well, special , and it almost feels like an indirect subsidy for the water filter industry. Iodine in salt is (to my taste) pretty neutral in comparison. [EDIT: as pointed out in a child comment, the taste actually comes from chlorine, not fluoride.]

Isn't that taste chlorine from the sanitation process? Either way I actually do assume water filter companies lobby to keep public water as subpar an option as possible, there's certainly no incentive not to.

Yes, you're right, I mixed up fluoride and chlorine. And thus my previous comment doesn't make sense any more. My apologies!

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by romwell »

saturn_vk wrote: post #103
kergonath wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You pretty much cannot have too much iodine. It is a good idea to use iodised salt in general. [edit] fair enough, I need to qualify that. You pretty much cannot get too much iodine with something that looks like a normal diet, and in any case iodised salt is not what push iodine levels over the top. And in a normal diets, iodine deficiency is much, much more likely than iodine overload.

The article states otherwise

>The article states otherwise

No it doesn't. You're ignoring the context.

You can't have too much iodine when it's obtained from iodized salt.

...because you can't handle that much salt.

From the article: 10x'ing the concentration of iodine in salt had no adverse effects. You'd have to eat salt by the pound daily to reach levels where iodine is harmful, but at that point, that'll be the least of your worries.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by kube-system »

adrian_b wrote: post #133
kergonath wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for . There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

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There is stronger evidence that public water fluoridation reduces tooth decay in children than there is evidence that it does any sort of harm. The only 'harm' linked to public water fluoridation is mild dental fluorosis, which is cosmetic.

There are natural sources of water that have fluoride levels high enough to cause harm, but these are at levels of fluoride much higher than what is in treated water.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by masklinn »

rmason wrote: post #106

My father told me that goitre's were quite common when he was growing up as a boy in Detroit in the 1920's. In my generation it was totally unknown. Yet I remember people affected by polio as a boy quite well. But I bet that millennials have no personal experience with it at all. Each generation moves forward and I can only hope there is a day when no one has any first hand experience with either cancer or Alzheimer'…

> But I bet that millennials have no personal experience with it at all.

Mass vaccination started in the late 50s and especially early 60s (with Sabin’s oral vaccine).

Millennials start in 1981, so they would / could well have known affected adults.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Post by k33n »

catgary wrote: post #6

That was a fascinating read - there’s even a great villain in Eugene Bircher (not to get into politics, but he definitely seems to have trailblazer the “right wing populist attacks successful public health measures” strategy).

I don't understand why tacit support of leftism is allowed but if I counter it, I am immediately flagged.

Very unfair that this is still happening on a site with so many smart people on it.

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