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The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

Depends on the salt, there are few that hardly contain more then dairy, but some salts contain enough to make it make sense. My main issue with normal salt is the anti-caking ingredient needed to not have it stick together, in general not needed with sea salt and a real grinder.

You hate sand, huh.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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There's literally no way anyone can taste the difference between iodized and non iodized table salt blind to the source. There's just so little there, it seems the Swiss standard is something like 25 mg/kg. There's probably more plastic in the salt than iodine at this point.

> There's probably more plastic in the salt than iodine at this point. Probably not in swiss salt tho (it's usually mountain salt, not sea salt).

I thought it was clear that I meant that in jest. My point was that the amount of iodine is imperceptibly small.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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I am increasingly convinced that the "thyroid hormones" T1, T2, T3, and T4 are simply a place to store iodine. When iodine is needed somewhere in the body it can be taken from T4, converting it to T3. But it's not the case that "T3 is the active form" as you'll read in the literature, it's that the removed iodine is the active or useful thing. Changing the ratio of T3/T4 does cause a change in TSH (thyroid stimulatin…

If this were true, it would mean that people with hypothyroidism could simply supplement iodine rather than needing to replace the hormones.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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I wonder if this was at least a factor in Switzerland remaining neutral in both world wars. If a significant portion of your military age men are unfit for military duty due to goiters, that would certainly affect your ability to conduct a war.

> I wonder if this was at least a factor in Switzerland remaining neutral in both world wars

probably has more to do with 1515 (Marignano) and 1815 (Congress of Vienna, which secured Switzerland as an independent state, while enforcing neutrality).

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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The use of the term cretin for those with stunted growth due to iodine deficiency was not a pejorative. Cretin is a different spelling of Chretien, French for Christian. It was short for "poor Christian", a term for those suffering misfortune.

This whole time I thought it was an ethnic slur against the people of Crete.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Some people dislike the flavor of iodized salt. But what would you expect from future cretins?

The article mentions that blind taste testing couldn’t detect it at 10x the strength. Surely people test before claiming such things? “Unicef, concerned about the sensitivity of children to odd flavours, commissioned a study in which rice was prepared with salt iodised at ten times the maximum recommended concentration. In double-blind taste tests, the iodine was undetectable.”

Iodized salt is almost always the industrially produced variety, pure NaCL and much more salty than the natural varieties - either sea or mountain salts that typically include other minerals and are milder in flavor.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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A really pleasant to read story. It's funny because I live in Switzerland and some of my friends debate the "ioded salt", and prefer to consume "natural salt" without the additives. Funny how history can repeat itself. I'm always impressed with all these doctors that would question the approach, try new protocols, and end up by finding a cure

What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

I've 100% switched to kosher salt & various sea salts with my own cooking. Not because I'm anti-iodine, but because I like those salts better for cooking purposes. Given how much attention was paid to using kosher salt in cooking by people like Alton Brown over the last 20 years I would expect I'm far from an outlier.

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> There's probably more plastic in the salt than iodine at this point. Probably not in swiss salt tho (it's usually mountain salt, not sea salt).

I thought it was clear that I meant that in jest. My point was that the amount of iodine is imperceptibly small.

People almost certainly confuse iodine with anticaking agents.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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A really pleasant to read story. It's funny because I live in Switzerland and some of my friends debate the "ioded salt", and prefer to consume "natural salt" without the additives. Funny how history can repeat itself. I'm always impressed with all these doctors that would question the approach, try new protocols, and end up by finding a cure

What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

Pretty much the same as against fluorine in water in the States: it’s unnatural/a globalist conspiracy/killing our traditional way of life/a plot to subdue the people for .

There is no scientifically sound reason against it.

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