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The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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A really pleasant to read story. It's funny because I live in Switzerland and some of my friends debate the "ioded salt", and prefer to consume "natural salt" without the additives. Funny how history can repeat itself. I'm always impressed with all these doctors that would question the approach, try new protocols, and end up by finding a cure

How come that the disease wasn't widespread earlier?

What makes you think it wasn't? The article doesn't claim so.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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A really pleasant to read story. It's funny because I live in Switzerland and some of my friends debate the "ioded salt", and prefer to consume "natural salt" without the additives. Funny how history can repeat itself. I'm always impressed with all these doctors that would question the approach, try new protocols, and end up by finding a cure

What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

Depends on the salt, there are few that hardly contain more then dairy, but some salts contain enough to make it make sense.

My main issue with normal salt is the anti-caking ingredient needed to not have it stick together, in general not needed with sea salt and a real grinder.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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I am always flabbergasted when people question incredibly effective public health initiatives. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goitre#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iodized_salt#In_public_health_... > Worldwide, iodine deficiency affects two billion people and is the leading preventable cause of intellectual and developmental disabilities.[1][2] According to public health experts, iodisation of salt may be the w…

Can I get some benefits of doubt please? :D I don't question the initiative. The article just read like it was some strange illness that affected Switzers around a certain time.

The article mentions comments from the 19th century about the same subject.

I think, that Switzerland, and especially those remote mountain regions, stayed more isolated than similar regions in France or Austria well into the early 20th century, making the issue stand out more in comparison.

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In which regard? And please, please don't say masks...

Why don't you want me to say masks? That's probably the best example of a failed public health policy that was more about tribalism than science. Forcing restaurant owners to impose masking guidelines that did nothing to prevent disease or shut down was quite the failure.

The public health "experts" also made very bold claims about the vaccine which turned out not to be true as well.

Then there was the media (who claimed to be the standard bearer for declaring who the experts were and weren't) who claimed Trump said to inject bleach -- when in reality he was making the public aware of a very promising UV-based technology that can in fact "cleanse" the body during dangerous infections.

If all of that is too politically charged for you, then we can just talk about how the "public health experts" robbed the entire country of Monoclonal Antibody Therapy for no discernable reason.

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> Some things with interesting iodine research: skin cancer, breast cancer, type 2 diabetes, asthma, polycystic ovaries, fibrocystic breast disease, other cancers. But yeah, it cures goiter... When I search for breast cancer and iodine, I find links that suggest iodine may help prevent that disease - and Japan’s low rate of the condition is potentially related to high consumption of iodine. Are you saying that all th…

Based on their third paragraph, I assume they mean that people are not eating enough iodine.

I interpreted that as the opposite - just because the iodine is getting used, it doesn’t mean it should have more.

I certainly find more on positive effects of iodine so I think I’ve misunderstood OP.

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I think it was. We just don’t think about it because we’ve defeated it completely by putting iodine in the most popular spice, and also people in the past were afflicted by all sorts of horrible illnesses. It doesn’t stand out from the noise of the past being generally a mess.

Ah, okay. The article just read like there were some unusual strange things going on around 1900 in Switzerland.

Swiss geology (retreat of the glaciers 10000 years ago) meant that the normal local products that would give a population iodine (milk and eggs) were themselves iodine-poor. A few parts of Switzerland which were not glaciated (i.e. Jura) did not have iodine deficient populations.

Other places in the world had different geology and this different levels of natural iodine.

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Some people dislike the flavor of iodized salt. But what would you expect from future cretins?

There's literally no way anyone can taste the difference between iodized and non iodized table salt blind to the source. There's just so little there, it seems the Swiss standard is something like 25 mg/kg. There's probably more plastic in the salt than iodine at this point.

> There's probably more plastic in the salt than iodine at this point.

Probably not in swiss salt tho (it's usually mountain salt, not sea salt).

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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What are the arguments used against iodised salt? Where would they get their iodine?

Some people dislike the flavor of iodized salt. But what would you expect from future cretins?

The article mentions that blind taste testing couldn’t detect it at 10x the strength.

Surely people test before claiming such things?

“Unicef, concerned about the sensitivity of children to odd flavours, commissioned a study in which rice was prepared with salt iodised at ten times the maximum recommended concentration. In double-blind taste tests, the iodine was undetectable.”

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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That was a fascinating read - there’s even a great villain in Eugene Bircher (not to get into politics, but he definitely seems to have trailblazer the “right wing populist attacks successful public health measures” strategy).

It feels like occasional people have to be reminded of consequences. Otherwise polio, measles and the like are still as dangerous as they ever were and are ready to make their big return if vaccination rates drop too much. I'm certain even small pox is lurking somewhere out there. It seems like, unfortunately, humanities book of learned lessons gets reprinted in pain and suffering once in a while.

He was reminded every day as his home canton still had high rates of gout and children being born deaf/mute.

Re: The curse of the goitre in Switzerland

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Lovely article. It reminds me of the relationship of scurvy and Vitamin C. Despite scurvy being largely understood around 1750 the knowledge was forgotten or replaced with wrong theories as late as 1911. https://idlewords.com/2010/03/scott_and_scurvy.htm

The article you're linking to is one of my favorite pieces of writing ever.

Maciej has a real gift for writing. His three part travelogue of visiting Yemen has been on my mind a lot recently. He published the first installment just a few months before the civil war started. https://idlewords.com/2015/05/ta_izz.htm
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