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Website search hurts my feelings

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Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#141

Love this article. Worked as a search relevance consultant for years and these are exactly the problems we work on. Most of the time fixing search is a thankless job. People expect it to work and when it does they take it for granted, but when it doesn’t it damages your reputation and brand. If you want to get started fixing website search relevance I recommend the books “Relevant Search” by Turnbull and Berryman, an…

I'm not trying to fix search so what's the tldr on why it's so hard to do with such constrained databases? The Nintendo one seems insanely egregious. Is this not just a symptom of corporate laziness rather than search problem complexity?

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#142

I have a hot take that Walmart is actually slowly going out of business. They don't do big box retailer stuff well (behind glass), they don't do local grocery well, and they don't even do discounted items well (5 below, Temu). Their stores are garbage and they are asleep at the wheel on their website. It is only a matter of time.

All of these things have been true since the beginning of Walmart. Yet here they are, almost the largest retailer on earth.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweet! Can Netflix search by age rating yet?

You can type age:!well to get movies that didn't age well.

Just watched Trading Places again on Christmas Eve. While I wouldn't say it's aged terribly, I will say this: nobody does blackface like Dan Akroyd.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

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post #26

On the other end of the spectrum, I've been impressed by Netflix search. I would search a name and they do not have that movie, but would suggest a mix of similar movies, movies with the same actors or director. It's pretty clever, I just wish they were more explicit about it, as in showing the reasoning behind choosing a result.

Their input search works fine, but clicking through the categories seems to surface all the dogshit Netflix-created content first. It's like digging through trash.

My main issue with the input search is the TV keyboard. There was a Netflix hack day that created a circular keyboard like a dial w/ the selector a joystick in the middle, so pressing up to 12 o'clock was A, 12:05 was B, etc. And the joystick would return to center per selection! It was everything I ever wanted in a thing, and now I can't even find the article on it.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

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post #5

I've never been lucky(?) enough to reach a scale or level of domain messiness where the standard method of indexing things naievely in elasticsearch or even typesense breaks down. Especially to such an extent as the umbrella example. What's the failure mode here? Microservices that "own their own data"?

Many if not most ecom sites will be using a vendor for search (e.g. Bloomreach) so they're sending a feed of product data to their vendor, just a subset of their product data (which may not have enough metadata for some facets people might reasonably expect). That means there's lag, and also that the integration is stiff and brittle, hard to change without time and money. Even then, whether they're rolling their own search or using a 3rd party, nine times out of ten their search will be ONLY for products, good luck if you wanted to search for a phrase from their privacy policy; for that or any sort of other non-product content you're forced to use Google/Bing/ddg etc.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#146

The point of website search (at least on commerce sites) is not to help the users find what they're searching for, but to put other, possibly related, products in front of their eyes. On most sites drilling down through limiters falls apart after about the third or fourth restriction is chosen, often because the sites seem designed to not give three or four clear choices (which is what the user wants to see), but ten…

It's the digital equivalent of putting the cans of nacho cheese dip on a little rack in front of the shelves of tortilla chips.

It’s more like asking the clerk where to find the fruit salad and him giving you directions to strawberry ice cream.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

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post #42

These are hilarious and infuriating but also, perhaps, correct? My gf (who used to work in the sector) says a lot of people like to sit in front of the TV and “watch what’s on” — one of the reasons broadcast TV still exists. You see this with sites like Netflix becoming decreasingly useful, urging you to simply click on something rather than consult your curated watch list. Some of them now hide your watch list! She…

What you're describing isn't "search", designed to give me information I asked for. It's a recommendation engine, designed to induce a behavior in me, whose input is the "search term" I entered (plus god knows what other tracking data). The distinction is important: the recommendation engine is designed to get me to buy something (not necessarily what I came to buy), whereas my intention was to buy something (or buy nothing, if they don't have it). Calling this recommendation engine "search" is IMO deceptive.

Maybe if I'm on Netflix to watch what's on, that's fine. But e.g. on Amazon, I find "search" so adversarial that I often close the tab and go somewhere else, or give up.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#148
I'm currently working on a website search for e-commerce and wow there really is no end to what website search can and should do. The ANDs and the ORs are kind of confusing too. Is it AND between category selections, and OR within?

And did anyone else notice the omission of that useless copyright line at the bottom of websites as if we know anything about copyright law?

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#149
I can explain this.

About 15 years ago or so, together with a friend, we started a company whose goal was to offer a working product search for E-commerce.

Faceting was just one aspect of the problem, a much more pressing issue for non-English speaking countries is that you need a way to deal with declension and various misspellings (especially from people that do not enter accented characters). So we did. Solve the problems, that is. With a pretty good SaaS offering, reasonably easy to integrate into any E-commerce site.

And then we discovered that you can have a great product, but selling it is an entirely different problem, and we were not able to solve that problem. It turned out we were competing with marketing budgets: a customer (E-commerce site) could either pay us and improve the customer experience significantly, or they could spend this money on customer acquisition and improve the bottom line right away. Guess which approach won.

Another realization was that customer experience might actually not matter much. People are used to crappy websites and will jump through all sorts of hoops if the price is low. So many of our potential customers preferred to pay for customer leads (price comparison sites) and offer low prices, rather than improve customer experience, because customer loyalty isn't necessarily a thing these days.

Also, if your main acquisition channel is price comparison sites (which is the case in many countries), you don't care about search: customers will land directly on product pages (where the price is right) and will endure the crappy search to add some stuff to their carts.

We ended up with a bunch of happy customers who stayed with the product for years, but we stopped trying to sell it and moved to other things, it was just too hard to sell.

In other words, addressing the OP's (excellent) article: your hurt feelings don't matter much, and nobody really cares, as long as the customer acquisition funnel works and there is a steady increase in the bottom line numbers.

Re: Website search hurts my feelings

#150
post #57

A little bit related, I wish web sites would stop hijacking the keys for my browser's search function.

Almost every hijacking of keyboard and other default behaviors of our peripherals is lazy and arrogant UI. One exception is auto focusing on a search input element where that view is only used for that search box. Even then it's annoying because my browser back/forward via keyboard (cmd-left, cmd-right) gets hijacked by the focus.
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