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Sounds eerily familiar. We've got someone who has done almost no work in their first 10 months. They were already assigned to a project I was on once, lied about progress repeatedly forcing me to pick up the work when it came time for us to integrate that piece. I made the situation well known to managers and they acknowledged it and even apologized. Yet this person is still somehow around and doing the same old, des…
Looks like someone working more than one job. However, it's weird that they're doing nothing from the get-go. Don't you have probation in your company?
It's All Bullshit
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
Back when I had billable hours, I'd measure how long I actually work (building small websites), and 6 hours was unusually long. Now I write and edit text for a living, alone, at home and without interruptions. I usually work from 10 to 16 with plenty of breaks. 8 real hours all day, every day is a pipe dream in creative professions.
Yeah I think I found roughly 4 hours as the average over the course of a month, ranging from zero to about 10.
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Seems like there's a lot of discontent people who really enjoy it when someone starts calling everything around them bullshit. Graeber's ideas/books with respect to "bullshit" are themselves cynical bullshit written as a kind of joke for maximum controversy. I'm sure he had a lot of fun though, being invited to speak and tell people all their work is bullshit...
Graeber's book hits a nerve with people because I think it touches upon a real problem that people are feeling: "Why am I working so much, doing so little, and getting so little in return? What's the point? Life should be more fulfilling, considering how wealthy our society is." It _feels_ like bullshit. Unfortunately, his book is essentially a long and unscientific blog post that builds upon weak arguments and arm c…
The issue is that this feeling people have isn't really related much to Graeber's objective claims.
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#65In tech, bullshit jobs—which the late David Graeber defines as “a form of paid employment that is so completely pointless, unnecessary, or pernicious that even the employee cannot justify its existence” even though they are obliged to pretend otherwise—come mostly from bullshit projects. At Google, such projects are aplenty. According to Killed By Google, an archival project that documents discontinued Google services, products, devices, and apps, the company has discontinued nearly three hundred projects since its founding.
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My manager is well aware and pissed. I only really became aware after getting pulled onto the project a little over a month ago, seeing how little existed followed by being able to get basically zero feedback on how things should fit into the project. It was easy to not see (for me) when we were supposed to be heads down on separate projects. We’re given a lot of rope when it comes to what we’re working on so other t…
Generally the employee should be given a warning, then reprimanded on repeat behavior, then fired. Ideally the manager would have noticed this without you having to "rat out" the employee - that's the manager's job, not yours. This stuff isn't really unheard of outside of tech. It's common even. Is it shitty? Sure. But the rest of the world deals with it and makes far less money on average. I've seen this same inabil…
I worked for a medical technology startup for 8.5 years and the tech work really, truly mattered. Then we were acquired by a huge public company and I hung on to see what might happen.
Before the end of the first year it was apparent that all that was happening is verbatim your last sentence here. I left shortly after. I have some former colleagues who have hung on and they report that they have literally nothing of value to do today. They think the company is playing chicken with them, more or less, and hoping that they'll get bored out and leave.
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It's not split at tech/non-tech. I'm happy to recommend construction crews you can tag along with for a day that will leave you a broken mess of a man with how hard they work. You won't get out of bed for a forthnight after one day of work with proper roofers. My maid works 16-hour days at breakneck speed as well, with a smile on her face. Sleeps 3 hours, gets on with life. I don't know how she does it. Likewise I've…
My maid works 16 hours a day This is an unusual thing to contribute to the conversation. Bragging about working a maid twice the average working hours of the day probably doesn't look to other people like you think it looks. It's a bit like bragging about how rude you are to wait staff, or how much you discipline your wife.
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Yeah I think I found roughly 4 hours as the average over the course of a month, ranging from zero to about 10.
At my startup we had people track time on ‘real’ work tasks and found that four hours was about the max anyone could (happily and productively) do each day, which was fairly consistent across roles as well.
On average it's probably less than 6 hours of actually writing code per day though.
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It comes in bursts. But it averages out to a lowish number. The flip side is that the rest of the time is also work and it includes some important work even. In order to be effective as a programmer, you have to understand what you are building and why. I do a lot of thinking and decision making before I start coding. When I work in a long burst, it's usually after days or weeks of pondering how I'm going to do it. P…
I "sleep solve" all the time. I do wish i could turn it off sometimes though (like now, where i woke up at 0230, and while tryin to go back to sleep, was still tryin to solve various logic shit for no reason); its now 0540 and im just up at this point. I do hate that sleep is the only answer to a hard problem, because i just want to swing at it all night (and i do that too, frequently), but the sleep solve usually gi…
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#70Ah, that’s the spirit! Yet I say unto thee: “Despise not in others what one covets for themselves, for that is hypocrisy.” I have trouble comprehending what this piece provides beyond bullshit slinging at big tech. Wishing you were the one making six fixture for 2 - 6 hour days? Business is in part strategy. Individual tech workers are in part corrupt (and incompetent), blaming leadership rather than taking initiativ…
I think the following paragraphs provide useful non-hypocritical/non-"jealous" commentary, and were the most thought-provoking for me:
> But even with stronger regulations, the manifold problems that these tech giants create for society will persist. Unlike the industrial firms that Marx and Smith wrote about, tech firms like Google differ in one key aspect: how they turn a profit. Where industrial firms extract profits from the gap between value produced and what workers get paid in wages, internet platforms rely foremost on rents, which generate profit on the basis of existing property, intellectual or otherwise. No additional labor is needed for each unit of output; profit thus becomes fundamentally extractive, or “unproductive” as Marx, or even classical economists like Smith and Ricardo, would say. For companies like Google, rent comes from owning the infrastructure through which we live our digital lives. The vast majority of Google’s windfall profits—$60 billion in 2022—come from rents.
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> In the end, the tech workers themselves are not responsible for the proliferation of bullshit. Nevertheless, the work they do (or don’t do) reveals that the problem, at its core, lies in the business model of the platform economy, one that depends not on productive labor but on rents. In our present economic paradigm, rents are undifferentiated from productive work where the creation of surplus value vis-à-vis the exploitation of labor lies at the heart of profitability. Making explicit these differences, however, would reveal that these platforms are not all that different from the banks of Wall Street: they are not making value, they’re taking it. And as long as this remains the underlying form of profit, tech firms’ imaginary of a technological future will be limited to the fast and cheap profits of monopoly rents. This is at the center of tech’s innovation crisis. That tech work is becoming bullshit is not the problem. The problem is that the companies themselves are bullshit.
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That rent-based profits allow these companies to retain vast numbers of bullshit-producing workers is less significant to me than the fact that these profits are extracted from everyday internet users. We are all made poorer from the value that Google et al are extracting from us, when they don't need that value to actually provide the services we are using. But their market dominance allows them to spend some of those profits in the service of artificially maintaining dominance, rather than on improving those services, or by extracting less value to provide the same services at a lower "cost" to us.