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Nintendo Network shutdown – The beginning of the end

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Post by fluoridation »

averageRoyalty wrote: post #147
herbst wrote: post #137

I still own the first steam game I ever bought and sometimes play it. Nearly every game I own just works on any machine I own. Interface is my choice. At this point I could even argue that the console they offer has more bang per dollar. I don't really get why people willingly joined walled gardens like that.

Steam is still a walled garden that can arbitrarily take away games at any time they want. Everyone who sells via Steam (including Valve) can and do sometimes turn off online services. Your garden might be wider, but there's still walls.

You can still back the games up, if necessary on external drives. If they have DRM it can be cracked. None of this is is possible on consoles (or if it is I've never heard of it).

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Post by nebula8804 »

daydream wrote: post #69
philistine wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at the one company who owns a vibrant operating system: Microsoft. They dropped the original Xbox like a box of bricks. They shut down those old servers quite rapidly. With the Xbox 360 however, they will stop the ability to buy games on an original Xbox 360 next year. That's a long era of support! https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/08/17/xbox-360-store-will-c... I'm fairly convinced new credit card standards are…

Looks like the Xbox 360 will get more than 18 years of online store support. That's a really long time considering it launched in 2005. I would take 18 total years online support for the Switch. It's been out for 6 so far, so even if I "only" got 12 years out of my unit (I just bought one recently) that would be pretty good... ...but not excellent. I bought a Wii in 2008 and after a long time in storage I pulled it o…

Effectively Xbox 360 can have a human lifetime's worth of support because they have a jailbreak. I worry about the subsequent xbox consoles. They haven't been cracked right? They are the ones with a real ticking clock unless someone finally gets to cracking it.

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Post by Karellen »

chii wrote: post #105
hellotheretoday wrote: post #91

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I can sort of understand ending life for allowing purchasing on the platform but why would you not create servers for the new consoles in a way that allows you to continue to serve downloads or at the very least whatever licensing necessary to launch the software to old hardware? If I buy a game I should be able to launch it and redownload it. If the above is not feasible then strip the drm at the consoles end of lif…

> If I buy a game I should be able to launch it and redownload it. unfortunately, this is not the right for which you paid, despite the fact that it is what people believe when they click purchase. That's why i condone piracy. It enables preservation, regardless of the choice of the copyright owner. That's why i would always want to make an offline backup of whatever i buy. It's hard to do sometimes, and the onus bei…

"If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing."

https://pluralistic.net/2023/12/08/playstationed/

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Post by bozhark »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #153
chrisandchris wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still have an Xbox 360, and as I'm not a regular gamer it's still my go-to. We maybe bought in in '06-'08. if they would shut down only services (and I could still play offline), that's totally ok for me. 15 years for a console is a long time.

Nothing approached the Kinect, Just Dance of that era just owns.

Not if you’re black

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Post by voakbasda »

14 wrote: post #128
daydream wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the Xbox 360 will get more than 18 years of online store support. That's a really long time considering it launched in 2005. I would take 18 total years online support for the Switch. It's been out for 6 so far, so even if I "only" got 12 years out of my unit (I just bought one recently) that would be pretty good... ...but not excellent. I bought a Wii in 2008 and after a long time in storage I pulled it o…

I got my original NES over 30 years ago. I had to swap a couple capacitors but still hook it up occasionally and show the kids games like Duck Hunt(required an old tv as well) and Tetris and Blaster Master. These digital games that suddenly stop working simply due to no server support is a hard pill to swallow. At that point I really think companies should be forced to release source code and keys and allow anyone wh…

The transition to not owning my own games sealed my decision to stop buying them. To me, it is insane to allow a company to determine how long I get to enjoy my purchase. More gamers need to take a stand.

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Post by test6554 »

herbst wrote: post #137

I still own the first steam game I ever bought and sometimes play it. Nearly every game I own just works on any machine I own. Interface is my choice. At this point I could even argue that the console they offer has more bang per dollar. I don't really get why people willingly joined walled gardens like that.

Try playing two steam games you "own" on two different PCs at the same time. Get a friend, child, or sibling, log into your steam account from both computers and open up two different games. It doesn't work.

Also try creating a separate steam account for each game you buy. Then see how easy/hard it is to switch between steam accounts on the same computer.

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Post by thrusong »

jaylittle wrote: post #23

This is one reason I'm over and done with proprietary consoles. So tired of shitty company's like Nintendo being able to call any kind of shot. They may still know how to make fun games and do that on accessible and reasonably priced hardware, but beyond that they are an objectionable and ass-backward company on so many levels. I vote with my dollar. I vote against Nintendo.

My partner and I decided to buy a Wii together for our first Christmas in 2009. We had a lot of fun playing online with our friends and strangers until the services went offline.

It looks like those servers went offline in 2014, but it felt like we didn't get this service for very long.

We pretty much decided from that experience we'd never buy a console again.

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Post by mattl »

mikepurvis wrote: post #103
hadlock wrote: post #99

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Lack of support for 3DS and (probably) switch means I am moving over to the Steam Deck for my next console, probably early next year. Losing my entire switch library, basically forever, when the Switch 2 (or whatever they call it) is released seems like throwing good money after bad.

Nintendo has been getting greedy in recent years with the paid rereleases and HD ports. However they had a terrific track record on backcompat for years in the handheld space. GB -> GBC -> GBA -> DS -> 3DS, every one supporting at least one generation back's physical media. Nintendo understands the value of the Switch library and I think would be very cautious to release successor hardware that didn't play the existi…

Ignoring the disaster that was the Virtual Boy, they had a great run.

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Post by ascagnel_ »

philistine wrote: post #47
daydream wrote: post #37

I wonder long will the backend infra supporting the Switch will last. Especially now that they’re selling download-only versions of the games. Online services for earlier consoles like the Wii were more basic, and IIRC in some cases were developed and maintained by third parties, not Nintendo themselves? I understand wanting to get rid of that overhead especially if it wasn’t driving incremental revenue. But now the…

Look at the one company who owns a vibrant operating system: Microsoft. They dropped the original Xbox like a box of bricks. They shut down those old servers quite rapidly. With the Xbox 360 however, they will stop the ability to buy games on an original Xbox 360 next year. That's a long era of support! https://news.xbox.com/en-us/2023/08/17/xbox-360-store-will-c... I'm fairly convinced new credit card standards are…

A key detail here is that Xbox 360 online games were and are playable (as long as their individual servers are still running), while this network shutdown will disable any ability to play unmodified 3DS or WiiU games.

Fan patches and system modifications will keep things running, but I assume that the population that’s both willing and able to apply them will be sharply limited.

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