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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #336
15457345234 wrote: post #296

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All you're doing, in this interaction, is questioning endlessly. You don't have any proposals. How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow? And we're not talking about minor rules and infractions, we're talking about major ones like 'don't be violent' and 'don't stalk and terrorize women' and 'do…

> 'don't be violent' The only evidence for this is heresay by the prosecutors. > 'don't stalk and terrorize women' As has been pointed out by others in this thread, that was a different person. Go read the article again. > 'don't run a doxxing website' You've got me there. But I don't think that comes even close to justifying an indefinite sentance. > 'don't extort and steal' Yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But as…

I just sense we're never going to reach an agreement here.

My opinion, in short, is that people exist who simply thrive on chaos and drama. If you've met a person like that or have one of them as a member of your family, you understand. You understand that the power to destroy and create drama gives them a thrill that literally nothing else will ever come close to. You can't treat it, it's very hard to redirect (literally the _exact same activities_ will bore them if the outcome is positive rather than negative) and you can't reliably use them as part of a 'red team' because the first thing they'll destroy is the team cohesion.

If you have any teachers in your family ask them 'do you think that some kids are just born wrong' and they'll tell you all about it. They've seen it.

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Post by thomastjeffery »

15457345234 wrote: post #296
thomastjeffery wrote: post #166

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Can society understand how to behave around him? Has society even tried? I'm not working to give up that easily. This is a person with the rest of his life ahead of him; and that life has been locked in a room, and declared his responsibility.

All you're doing, in this interaction, is questioning endlessly. You don't have any proposals. How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow? And we're not talking about minor rules and infractions, we're talking about major ones like 'don't be violent' and 'don't stalk and terrorize women' and 'do…

> How do you propose, exactly, that society handle a person that openly admits that they'll do whatever they see fit and decide for themselves what rules they'll follow?

Here's one method: We simply remove that person from the society, because society is made of rules, not people. In a word: fascism.

Here's an alternative method: We better involve that person in the rule-structuring process. We do our best - through education, therapy, and socialization - to expand our common ground into shared goals; because society is made of people, not rules. If the person is unwilling to participate, then we give them judicious punishment. As a last resort, if the person is a threat to the safety of other people, we remove them from society. In a word: democracy.

The benefit to society is the recognition that both rules and people are living and changing. We can recognize that society is a system, and empower people to be in control of that system, rather than allow the system be in control of us.

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Post by Nextgrid »

iAMkenough wrote: post #339
mavamaarten wrote: post #297

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Fire devices just run a flavor of Android, without Google Play Services. Getting SSH on there is trivial, especially when rooted.

I would like to install SSH and root a Fire Stick with my phone. Where should I start?

Second result on Kagi: https://www.firesticktricks.com/install-apk-on-firestick-fro... ?

This would at least give you the ability to install an SSH or RDP client since those don't even require root.

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Post by cf1241290841 »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #230
wolverine876 wrote: post #216

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> this kid is incredibly destructive Incredibly? There are many kids that age who murder and commit other serious felonies.

Hundreds of thousands of man hours have been spent at the companies he hacked and in the justice system on his behalf. If you were the one whose crypto account he cleared out, or one of the people responsible for cleaning up after him, or even one of the lawyers trying to defend some idiot who tells the court he plans on committing more crimes as soon as he is released you might feel different. Do you think any of th…

From an IT security perspective this sounds detached from reality to me. If one kid can do this to your organization, someone isnt doing their job. Given economic competitors, hostile nation state actors and the possible stock market impacts, this isnt a matter of people having had better things to do. They had this to do and they didnt. The resulting extra cost is how you get your company to fix these things. Yes its hard, no it doesnt mean you get to ignore it because police will handle it.

Not a moral argument but a very practical one. If somebody like that manages to find a hole in your process big enough to exploit yet dumb enough to get caught you should feel really lucky that nothing worse happened (that you know of) with the hole you just got notified you had all along.

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Post by sophyphreak »

SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #332
sophyphreak wrote: post #327

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I'm going to say this as kindly as I can, though truthfully, I'm seething. I understand you're trying to be kind and empathetic. I feel for this dude too. But the way you're expressing your thoughts is hurtful, and I ask you to try to learn why. Here's a pretty good article from a mainstream website that talks about ableism and how expressing feelings of pity can be an expression of ableism. https://www.healthline.co…

I half agree with you. However, your argument that this is ableism is ridiculous. And you almost proved that yourself by stating that autism is not a disease. I would go a step further and say that it is not a disability, just a something that makes you think differently from the "normal" (which I would argue requires all free thought to be hammered out of you at a young age).

I think it's pretty hasty to say it's ridiculous. It's pretty common to use the word "ableism" in Autistic self-advocacy circles and to say that Autism is a disability without being a disease. (This is all standard "social model of disability" stuff that way predates the Autism self-advocacy movement.)

I don't really want to go out of my way to flesh this out further because just googling around and reading Wikipedia articles will be way better than whatever else I say in a few sentences, but suffice it to say, if people can discriminate against Autistic people for being who they are, what should we call that? I'm partial to "neurotypicalism" but that's not the common term. Ableism is much more common.

Anyway, please Google the social model of disability.

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Post by SpaghettiCthulu »

TylerE wrote: post #338
SpaghettiCthulu wrote: post #333

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"Reports" is all they have. No evidence, only reports from a biased source (the prosecutors).

By that standard what evidence would you ever accept? They almost certainly have video - prisons have cameras everywhere

I would argue they certainly do not, otherwise they would use a more appropriate word than "reports". I certainly argee that there is no reason for them to not have video evidence. I am arguing that the apparant lack of video evidence in this case makes is especially apparant that the reports are fabricated.

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Post by RecycledEle »

happytoexplain wrote: post #271
RecycledEle wrote: post #263

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>I want to ask: Do you... This is the "I bet you're one of those people who " fallacy. It is the height of pettiness, and one of the most egregious tropes of low quality internet arguing.

Sometimes I wonder if I'm the bad guy, or if our whole society has sold out to evil.

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Post by RecycledEle »

TalEs wrote: post #278
RecycledEle wrote: post #257

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Ah, the classic debate of whether biologically a clump of cells constitute an entire person or "victim", or is it something we are made to believe due to our teachings/religious beliefs. Out of the biggest global religions, 2 out of the 3 Abrahamic religions allow abortions, when necessary and if the mother is at risk. By that logic, abortion is allowed and should be done whenever necessary for the health of the moth…

> allow abortions, when necessary and if the mother is at risk

I would like to know if there is a case where the baby is viable where it's necessary to kill the baby and remove the dead baby rather than removing a living baby?

I am concerned that if you give me a problem to solve (a sick pregnant woman) I might remove one complicating factor (the baby) to simplify my work load.

I know in Texas, during the era of Roe v. Wade, if a doctor recommended an abortion saying the baby was non-viable and was wrong, there was no liability on the doctor. If the doctor recommended against abortion, and the baby was in the least bit deformed, the doctor could be held liable for millions of dollars. This lead to a lot of pro-kill-the-baby bias.

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