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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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what does this fear come from? the logic doesn’t hold up with any automated mass transit i’ve seen. why aren’t people standing on the train lines at airports? why aren’t people trying to hit the distribution robots in Japans airports? do you really think there’s a future where people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) where they are jumping out in front of cars? there’s very little…

> what does this fear come from? For starters, dash cam footage of how drivers and pedestrians are willing to interact with vehicles with human drivers. If that's what they're willing to do when it's an unpredictable human in control, I can only imagine what they'll do when it's an extremely predictable computer in control. > people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) I think it's ra…

historically, i get what you mean about ‘ghetto’ or ‘rough area’. i see your point about not intending to be racist, and that’s fair. words have history, and ‘ghetto’ has long been linked with minority groups in a negative light. i’ll be more conscious about the terms i use.

about the dashcam footage, i think we’re seeing different things. it’s true, some of the behavior in the footage is similar to what’s normal in parts of asia. cultural habits can clash, and it’s rough to see. but i agree, it’s probably not deliberate, just different habits.

and you’re right, some drivers are just inconsiderate. but an autonomous car, with its 360-degree awareness, might handle things like unexpected merges better than we think. it’s a good point, technology might adapt to these situations more efficiently than we anticipate.

‘jaywalking’ is racist in origin, a term used to denote ‘jays’ who didn’t understand the rules of the road because the rules where so new culturally. it’s a fitting term, but poor narative, for the clashes you’ve identified in social expectations

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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This is inevitable. With human drivers, I check to see if they are looking at me, or at least in my direction, before turning across them. There will need to be some way for autonomous vehicles to signal to other drivers, pedestrians, etc. that the vehicle know they’re there.

This cuts right to the crux of the problem. I love the way that you phrased it. I do not think that a single light can portray the complexity that we look for in the current situation.

Good point. A robot head then. Sticking up from the hood. With a bunch of arms and making pistol signs at all the pedestrians around him.

See Johnny Cab except of course one inside to chat the passengers (turned toward the passengers then in chat mode, and deflated in privacy mode), and one on the hood to make pedestrians feel safe.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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As mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not pleased with this colour. For red-green colourblind people (both types), this colour is at the neutral point where both available cones are saturated and the brain can't differentiate it from white light. In their study paper they used a much more blue turquoise, decided it was confusing, and then moved it to a more green version (thus saturating the non-blue cone for dich…

In Australia, cars have red rear lights on at all times, so it’s easy to distinguish a reversing car or a headlight. Also, aren’t all cars now required to have front on driving lights in most jurisdictions, separate to headlights?

Are you referring to when the headlights are on?

Distinguished from Daytime Running Lights.

Because otherwise this is just wrong.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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You have an Odyssey (the best minivan), I take it? I think that's the only one that can properly lane center. Other vans just have lane exit prevention. There are some differences between Honda's and Tesla's implementations that Tesla owners appreciate.

I'm not the GP, but newer Hyundais seem to do a good job at this as well. And by extension this probably applies to Kias too.

Hyundai's has definitely gotten better. It's more an asymptotic approaching of lane centering, but typical drivers aren't going to mind that.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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post #192

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This cuts right to the crux of the problem. I love the way that you phrased it. I do not think that a single light can portray the complexity that we look for in the current situation.

Good point. A robot head then. Sticking up from the hood. With a bunch of arms and making pistol signs at all the pedestrians around him. See Johnny Cab except of course one inside to chat the passengers (turned toward the passengers then in chat mode, and deflated in privacy mode), and one on the hood to make pedestrians feel safe.

This will live rent free in my head forever. Thanks!

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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> what does this fear come from? For starters, dash cam footage of how drivers and pedestrians are willing to interact with vehicles with human drivers. If that's what they're willing to do when it's an unpredictable human in control, I can only imagine what they'll do when it's an extremely predictable computer in control. > people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) I think it's ra…

historically, i get what you mean about ‘ghetto’ or ‘rough area’. i see your point about not intending to be racist, and that’s fair. words have history, and ‘ghetto’ has long been linked with minority groups in a negative light. i’ll be more conscious about the terms i use. about the dashcam footage, i think we’re seeing different things. it’s true, some of the behavior in the footage is similar to what’s normal in…

> ‘jaywalking’ is racist in origin

This is false. The origin of the term is NOT racist. Please stop reflexively assigning racism to things, it dilutes and degrades actual racism.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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> what does this fear come from? For starters, dash cam footage of how drivers and pedestrians are willing to interact with vehicles with human drivers. If that's what they're willing to do when it's an unpredictable human in control, I can only imagine what they'll do when it's an extremely predictable computer in control. > people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) I think it's ra…

historically, i get what you mean about ‘ghetto’ or ‘rough area’. i see your point about not intending to be racist, and that’s fair. words have history, and ‘ghetto’ has long been linked with minority groups in a negative light. i’ll be more conscious about the terms i use. about the dashcam footage, i think we’re seeing different things. it’s true, some of the behavior in the footage is similar to what’s normal in…

There's no mention of race associated with it's appearance in circa 1905 Kansas:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/why-is-it-called-ja...

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