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With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

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Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#11
Natural gas is great, useful for generating electricity, heating, maybe powering cars, making plastic, etc. So why are we (the US) exporting it? It seems incredibly shortsighted. Once we've exhausted our domestic supply we'll be right back in the same mess we are currently in with oil.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_ga...

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#12
Regardless of whether we have a 90 or 100 year supply of natural gas, it's just bloody foolish to waste it as an oil substitute for transportation. It won't solve the ultimate energy problem, it's a 50 year band-aid at best, and "Mr. Hydrogen economy" T. Boone Pickens is involved (so you ought to know something isn't quite right).

CNG? You're betting on a loser.

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#13
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Natural gas can be converted to a diesel-compatible liquid, which is much more compatible with our existing auto fuel transport and retail infrastructure. We'd just need to get the motoring public to be more accepting of diesel engines.x

Interesting enough my last car, a VW Golf GTD, doesn't seem to be offered in the USA (if I don't fail to navigate their site).

That's a Diesel powered 'GTI' (no.. not really. But according to its onboard computer it reaches 247km/h / 153.5 mi/h), with the comfort of a middle class family vehicle. I won't even start listing even more expensive options (Audi is a favorite brand of mine, but lots of Asian brands are interesting as well). Why _not_ a Diesel? Environmental reasons (might be good/make sense) or performance (stupid)?

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#14
post #11

Natural gas is great, useful for generating electricity, heating, maybe powering cars, making plastic, etc. So why are we (the US) exporting it? It seems incredibly shortsighted. Once we've exhausted our domestic supply we'll be right back in the same mess we are currently in with oil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_ga...

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Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#15

A group of students at my school are working on a high efficiency vehicle. They currently get 733 miles per gallon of gasoline. They are working towards an upcoming competition, where the winner usually gets around 2000 miles per gallon. These are vehicles which hold a driver. Alternatives just aren't anywhere near that efficient yet, and so it's difficult to provide compelling reasons to switch.

Cool - reducing the amount of fuel needed is great.

That said - it seems Wolfram|Alpha is translating your buddies current result to roundabout 3l/100km (per 100km is the mpg here) and.. We have that. In a car that runs on public roads (VW Lupo in this case), today. Yes, we need to push it further. But I'm not sure how you could call a bare-bone (I guess?) research vehicle interesting and special if it just reaches the efficiency of a street-legal car...

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#16
post #8

Natural gas can be converted to a diesel-compatible liquid, which is much more compatible with our existing auto fuel transport and retail infrastructure. We'd just need to get the motoring public to be more accepting of diesel engines.x

Interesting enough my last car, a VW Golf GTD, doesn't seem to be offered in the USA (if I don't fail to navigate their site). That's a Diesel powered 'GTI' (no.. not really. But according to its onboard computer it reaches 247km/h / 153.5 mi/h), with the comfort of a middle class family vehicle. I won't even start listing even more expensive options (Audi is a favorite brand of mine, but lots of Asian brands are int…

For years Diesel vehicles looked and smelled much dirtier in the US due to the high sulfur and particulate content of that fuel here. It's going to take some time and effort to rehabilitate their image.

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#17

A group of students at my school are working on a high efficiency vehicle. They currently get 733 miles per gallon of gasoline. They are working towards an upcoming competition, where the winner usually gets around 2000 miles per gallon. These are vehicles which hold a driver. Alternatives just aren't anywhere near that efficient yet, and so it's difficult to provide compelling reasons to switch.

Cool - reducing the amount of fuel needed is great. That said - it seems Wolfram|Alpha is translating your buddies current result to roundabout 3l/100km (per 100km is the mpg here) and.. We have that. In a car that runs on public roads (VW Lupo in this case), today. Yes, we need to push it further. But I'm not sure how you could call a bare-bone (I guess?) research vehicle interesting and special if it just reaches t…

I think you slipped a decimal point. 3l/100km is ~78mpg.

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#18

A group of students at my school are working on a high efficiency vehicle. They currently get 733 miles per gallon of gasoline. They are working towards an upcoming competition, where the winner usually gets around 2000 miles per gallon. These are vehicles which hold a driver. Alternatives just aren't anywhere near that efficient yet, and so it's difficult to provide compelling reasons to switch.

Cool - reducing the amount of fuel needed is great. That said - it seems Wolfram|Alpha is translating your buddies current result to roundabout 3l/100km (per 100km is the mpg here) and.. We have that. In a car that runs on public roads (VW Lupo in this case), today. Yes, we need to push it further. But I'm not sure how you could call a bare-bone (I guess?) research vehicle interesting and special if it just reaches t…

You're off by a factor of ten. According to Google (http://goo.gl/5fEVp), 733 mpg is .32 L/100k.

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#19
In India, a lot of the bus/taxi fleets have already converted to using CNG (Compressed Natural Gas). I was in New Delhi when this change occurred, and I must say that it did significantly reduce the pollution in the area where I lived. (However, these vehicles used to use Diesel which is a lot more polluting than petrol, so that may not be a fair comparison)

Re: With all this natural gas, who needs oil?

#20

Regardless of whether we have a 90 or 100 year supply of natural gas, it's just bloody foolish to waste it as an oil substitute for transportation. It won't solve the ultimate energy problem, it's a 50 year band-aid at best, and "Mr. Hydrogen economy" T. Boone Pickens is involved (so you ought to know something isn't quite right). CNG? You're betting on a loser.

On the flip side, it gives renewable energy 100 more years to finally develop a cost-effective solution.
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