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Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Texas’ proximity to Mexico is a dream for both. Cheap, clean energy, an abundance of workers, and a stable trading partner.

It shows in the housing. Prior to runaway housing costs(2018 or so), you could get a house in El Paso that almost looked like something out of Scarface for under 300. It's gone up quite a bit now, but still cheaper than much of the nation.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Quite a few LatAm countries had leading GDP (GNPs back then) a century or so ago, but mismanagement, endemic corruption, poor education, and a different attitude toward time management led them down a different path. It didn’t have to be that way. They can pull themselves up like Salvador is doing, or they can be eternal victims like Cuba and have the Yankees as a convenient scapegoat (that’s not saying US meddling d…

> (that’s not saying US meddling didn’t stunt growth) That's a pretty quaint way to put it, especially after mentionning Cuba. Just to go on with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan which have specially strong ties to the US. In general attributing individual traits ("attitude toward time management", "scapegoat", "blaming") to whole countries to explain long term economic evolutions and gepolitics is iffy at best.

I disagree. It’s a cultural thing. Taiwan or Singapore vs The Philippines. They have different attitudes (they can be changed if there is a pop wide effort).

It takes leadership and the cooperation of the people.

With the right government, I’d bet Cuba could turn things around, US or no US. But it’s hard work, sacrifice and effort.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Demographics-wise it makes sense that Mexico passed South Korea and Australia. And long-term it's projected Mexico will get up to 7th place by 2050. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/these-will-be-th...

Mexico has some of the most arable land on the planet too. They are going to become a serious economic superpower by the end of the century, esp if they sort out their cartel problem.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Very dubious list. Russia and Brazil in the top ten? Highly unlikely. I wouldn’t trust any of these projections in the slightest.

Brazil has a large and heavily industrialized economy. It is however radically unequal (even by US terms) which may be why you think the country is poor as a whole. With a GDP of $2 trillion USD the Brazilian economy is comparable to Spain or Korea in size.

There are cities in Brazil that are relatively utopian compared to a lot of US cities. It’s not all Rio, but some people think it is.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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Demographics-wise it makes sense that Mexico passed South Korea and Australia. And long-term it's projected Mexico will get up to 7th place by 2050. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/these-will-be-th...

Very dubious list. Russia and Brazil in the top ten? Highly unlikely. I wouldn’t trust any of these projections in the slightest.

Are you aware that brazil is the 9th largest economy in the world? Slightly above canada

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(no...

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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How does one invest in this to ride the wave?

There's the VMEX etf if that's the kind of thing you're looking for

I'm not sure about this symbol. It can't be found at all on Schwab or Fidelity's websites, and Yahoo Finance only has "VMEX19.MX" with no historical information.

The only mainstream ETF that I'm aware of for Mexico is BlackRock's EWW. I held that for a little while this past year, and wish that I had held far longer since it blew the doors off the S&P 500's returns.

However, I would only recommend putting a little play money in an investment like this. Not shifting your entire retirement savings into it. An investment in Mexico is really more of a short-term forex play than a matter of where the Mexican economy may or may not be several decades from now. Economically, Mexico is very much a vassal state of the USA. If things go badly enough for the U.S. economy to fall behind, then odds are Mexico would be heavily impacted by those circumstances directly or indirectly.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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America should agree to merge with Mexico. It would be more powerful than anyone has imagined.

Early on in US history the Yucatan tried to join the country and was only narrowly rejected over concerns that it would be a slave state.

After the Mexican-American war Polk wanted the US to expand all the way to modern Santiago de Queretaro and could have easily done it but the guy who ultimately negotiated the treaty on the US' behalf was against the idea of US expansion so negotiated against the US' own interests.

If those two decisions had gone the other way then it seems likely that all of Mexico if not all of Central America would be part of the United States today.

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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> (that’s not saying US meddling didn’t stunt growth) That's a pretty quaint way to put it, especially after mentionning Cuba. Just to go on with Taiwan, South Korea and Japan which have specially strong ties to the US. In general attributing individual traits ("attitude toward time management", "scapegoat", "blaming") to whole countries to explain long term economic evolutions and gepolitics is iffy at best.

I disagree. It’s a cultural thing. Taiwan or Singapore vs The Philippines. They have different attitudes (they can be changed if there is a pop wide effort). It takes leadership and the cooperation of the people. With the right government, I’d bet Cuba could turn things around, US or no US. But it’s hard work, sacrifice and effort.

The common theme among Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, besides friendly relations with the US as GP mentioned, is that they are all within the cultural influence of "Confucianism".

Re: Mexico is now the 12th largest economy in the world

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post #62

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I disagree. It’s a cultural thing. Taiwan or Singapore vs The Philippines. They have different attitudes (they can be changed if there is a pop wide effort). It takes leadership and the cooperation of the people. With the right government, I’d bet Cuba could turn things around, US or no US. But it’s hard work, sacrifice and effort.

The common theme among Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, besides friendly relations with the US as GP mentioned, is that they are all within the cultural influence of "Confucianism".

Strong ties with the US is neutral. You can take advantage of it, or not. Egypt is a laggard, Greece is a laggard, Israel and Iceland aren't.

But I think you bolster my point, culture has to do a lot with how a people confront adversity and overcome it.

Both Korea ad Taiwan could have cried about being colonies of Japan whose resources and people were taken with no return. Japan could have succumbed to US defeat and felt sorry for itself too.

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