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GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by led76 »

MobileVet wrote: post #58
technofiend wrote: post #39

For whatever reason GM also ended sale of their popular Chevy Bolt platform. It wasn't an amazing car and I'm sure suffered from its own faults as well, but at least from reading reports about the car nothing like what the Ultim-based vehicles are seeing now! Also it was cheaper than the Blazer, so I'm sure less profitable for GM but that made it popular to consumers. Not to mention it still qualified for an EV tax c…

Clearly personal preference… but I would say the Bolt is a very strong commuter option. I originally thought I would buy an Kia EV6, then a Genesis GV60. In the end I bought a Bolt and I absolutely love it. It is 85% of the car I wanted for 40% of the price of the others. It isn’t plush, but it has every modern safety system and everything is where you expect it (vs the toys / Tesla) Highly recommend it for an around…

This is exactly my experience. Very happy with my Bolt as well.

I also wouldn’t buy another car without CarPlay

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by MostlyStable »

yurishimo wrote: post #30
MostlyStable wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood the "differentiate themselves" argument, which I've most often seen in the Android os skin world. It seems like most consumers don't know enough to care and the ones who do see the skins/customization as a bad thing.

I don’t think that’s true. Most consumers know that Toyota is a reliable brand. They know Mercedes is luxurious and that Ferrari makes fast sports cars. This is the differentiation. The part that customers don’t care about is the stuff under the hood, but that’s not what consumers care about. They care about a set of features at a given price point and aesthetics that they largely don’t find repulsive.

Brands are obviously differentiated. But not by their software tweaks. That was my point.

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by jm4 »

kraig911 wrote: post #12

I wonder if the infotainment stuff is the same on their gas cars? I just don't know why traditional carmakers couldn't get together, make an open source standard that we could all build on. I hate this future where in automobiles where I'm completely helpless to fix my car myself.

I have a Silverado and the software is absolute shit. It’s like it has a virus. The media stuff is so wonky. It randomly plays Bluetooth stuff on my phone. It doesn’t even reliably play what I was actually listening to. Just random crap from my library or stuff from YouTube if I was using the app a week ago. I stop it and it keeps starting it again. I turn the system completely off. Later, I get a phone call and after I hang up it starts playing random Bluetooth stuff again. When it’s not doing that, it will insist on playing FM radio. You can’t turn it off. The best you can do is turn down the volume because it will keep turning the radio back on. It does this with multiple phones.

GM has literally a worse infotainment system than the worst I could imagine. It’s not like I expect much. The usual boring, featureless, laggy, permanent XM radio and Pandora icons, 6 year old nav maps infotainment system would suit me just fine as long as Bluetooth works. GM can’t even deliver that.

Meanwhile, the motor is great - V8, loads of torque - and this thing feels like it will run forever. It even gets good mileage - I can get 20-25 on the highway. They make solid trucks. But it’s like they used GitHub Copilot in a machine with bad RAM to make the infotainment.

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by hunter2_ »

xeromal wrote: post #56
za3faran wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure that the german automakers are known for reliability :)

I'm a Lexus/Toyota stan but a lot of what makes a german car unrealiable is deferred maintenance. Lexus and Toyota build cars so you can treat them like shit and they'll still run and Germans build cars that are meant to be maintained then they will run well. They're really two different approaches to car design. Why they do it this way really comes down to national culture.

The Japanese aren't likely to keep up with maintenance successfully? I've only been there a few times, but I didn't get that sense whatsoever. Pretty much nothing I encountered seemed materially neglected.

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by coryrc »

whyenot wrote: post #55
konschubert wrote: post #6

It’s fascinating to see how the legacy automakers are completely failing at this. Money can’t buy culture.

I don’t think Ford, Volvo, Porsche, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, even VW are “completely” failing. Stellantis, Mazda, and Subaru, yes. Toyota, yes and no — they didn’t really try with the BZ4X, but their plug-in hybrids sell as fast as they claim they can make them.

Ford just cut Lightning production (in half? A third? Something like that). Nissan stopped making the Leaf. Tesla is still increasing. You can't get ahead by decreasing production.

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by jm4 »

asynchronous wrote: post #45

Full stop, only native car software I’ve ever thought wasn’t trash is Tesla. Toyota does get second place with CarPlay support.

Tesla is the only one I’ve ever had that occasionally crashes, but it’s still so much better than the other stuff out there. I have had decent experiences with Toyota and Ford. Although their systems are boring and old, they work reliably and consistently.

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by jacobkg »

whyenot wrote: post #55
konschubert wrote: post #6

It’s fascinating to see how the legacy automakers are completely failing at this. Money can’t buy culture.

I don’t think Ford, Volvo, Porsche, Nissan, BMW, Mercedes, even VW are “completely” failing. Stellantis, Mazda, and Subaru, yes. Toyota, yes and no — they didn’t really try with the BZ4X, but their plug-in hybrids sell as fast as they claim they can make them.

Curious what you mean that Mazda is failing

Re: GM halts sales of its new Chevy Blazer EV amid reports of software issues

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Post by explaininjs »

jm4 wrote: post #68
asynchronous wrote: post #45

Full stop, only native car software I’ve ever thought wasn’t trash is Tesla. Toyota does get second place with CarPlay support.

Tesla is the only one I’ve ever had that occasionally crashes, but it’s still so much better than the other stuff out there. I have had decent experiences with Toyota and Ford. Although their systems are boring and old, they work reliably and consistently.

My 2004 Toyota has the most reliable and intuitive phone integration I've seen, far better than the Tesla "everything is one screen so you need to look down and click through menus to find the toggle you want", and the CarPlay "Oh you're in a car? Let's give you a giant screen way below the normal eye level to distract you, then purposefully disable a ton of arbitrary features to make it more "safe", even if it means you take way longer with your eyes off the road to work around all the limitations they impose."

I have a magnetic phone charger suctioned to the windshield, and I installed a bluetooth integration into the stock head unit. The phone UI is the exact one I use day to day, I don't ever have to take my eyes off the road, and all the normal car functionality is physical buttons and switches whose positions I've memorized.

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