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Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by data-ottawa »

48r9ridjjd wrote: post #157
lopis wrote: post #131

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The alternative is a light in a predictable position or with a standard shape. I really hate that EVs are trying to be all modern about light systems redesigns. Specially in the US, car manufacturers are being very creative with their new designs in ways that are not even legal in Europe. I hope international standards for human-friendly lights can be agreed upon soon.

The point of the light is primarily for specific people like law enforcement to be able to identify that the vehicle has self-driving mode engaged so that they don't pull the operator over erroneously. Is it actually an issue if Joe Colorblind can't tell that the person he's passing has automated driving enabled?

Yes.

Imagine you’re in a parking lot and the car is in self driving. Is it in Reverse? I have no clue.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by toast0 »

joseph4521 wrote: post #156
data-ottawa wrote: post #108

As mentioned in the previous thread, I'm not pleased with this colour. For red-green colourblind people (both types), this colour is at the neutral point where both available cones are saturated and the brain can't differentiate it from white light. In their study paper they used a much more blue turquoise, decided it was confusing, and then moved it to a more green version (thus saturating the non-blue cone for dich…

I’ve always had an excellent vision both near and far, except for one flaw that I can’t distinguish some shades between green and blue. All the turquoise colors give me a strange feeling of not knowing if it’s green and blue. When I was younger I used to ask if it was green or blue and would only be satisfied once someone told me which one it is. Over the years, I’ve learned to recognize the feeling and attach turquo…

I don't think this should be an issue... At least in the US, only law enforcement is authorized to use blue lights and they don't use them in this way. If you see lights that might be blue solidly lit around all edges of the car, it's self driving. If you see a flashing light that might be blue, it's police. If you see a solid light that might be blue, and is only on one side, or only in the middle, it's most likely police, but might be self driving with a lot of broken lights.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by ungamedplayer »

gnicholas wrote: post #135
worthless-trash wrote: post #23

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Great, so now we need to think about how AI is going to act.

This is inevitable. With human drivers, I check to see if they are looking at me, or at least in my direction, before turning across them. There will need to be some way for autonomous vehicles to signal to other drivers, pedestrians, etc. that the vehicle know they’re there.

This cuts right to the crux of the problem. I love the way that you phrased it.

I do not think that a single light can portray the complexity that we look for in the current situation.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by gnicholas »

ungamedplayer wrote: post #183
gnicholas wrote: post #135

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This is inevitable. With human drivers, I check to see if they are looking at me, or at least in my direction, before turning across them. There will need to be some way for autonomous vehicles to signal to other drivers, pedestrians, etc. that the vehicle know they’re there.

This cuts right to the crux of the problem. I love the way that you phrased it. I do not think that a single light can portray the complexity that we look for in the current situation.

You're right, especially because a vehicle has to engage with a number of drivers simultaneously. I can tell where a driver is looking, and I can see that he's looking at me. While a vehicle could have some sort of indicator that say "I see you", it's somewhat harder to imagine how this would work when there are many other cars around (including a mix of AVs and human-driven vehicles).

I would guess that at some point cars will communicate directly with each other, and a light might appear on the dash to indicate that a vehicle is aware of your presence/intention. That way human drivers would know that it's safe to maneuver around the AVs whose paths he might cross. But it will probably be a decade before this sort of stuff is worked out, at the earliest.

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Post by moon_moon »

manquer wrote: post #168
LASR wrote: post #163

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Cops can’t be colorblind? I don’t know if they have to do a test or something.

Beat cops shouldn’t be ? It impairs their ability to do their job. They should identify the color of a car or a person’s apparel fairly accurately . How would a color blind cop catch say killer escaping in a teal car if they cannot identify that color ? Most Physical disabilities sadly would be disqualifying in some jobs line first responders or police, such jobs that at times require them to assist the physically ch…

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Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by simondotau »

simondotau wrote: post #172
hasmolo wrote: post #63

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what does this fear come from? the logic doesn’t hold up with any automated mass transit i’ve seen. why aren’t people standing on the train lines at airports? why aren’t people trying to hit the distribution robots in Japans airports? do you really think there’s a future where people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) where they are jumping out in front of cars? there’s very little…

> what does this fear come from? For starters, dash cam footage of how drivers and pedestrians are willing to interact with vehicles with human drivers. If that's what they're willing to do when it's an unpredictable human in control, I can only imagine what they'll do when it's an extremely predictable computer in control. > people in ‘rough neighborhoods’ (this is very poorly hidden classism/racism) I think it's ra…

Oh look, just posted to Youtube

https://youtu.be/fci0__FKp9Q?t=553

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by ajsnigrutin »

mikrotikker wrote: post #169
ajsnigrutin wrote: post #149

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> It shouldn't make me drive differently - e.g. not be aggressive... It's quite the opposite... if there's a tiny gap between two cars in the other lane, you usually don't squeeze in between them, becaus the rear driver in that lane could be distracted and wont brake and let you in in time, or might intentionally not widen the gap, to net let you squeeze inbetween. With automated cars, you can slowly swerve into the…

Having an exocage on your vehicle also allows this. Even just good bullbars and some bush rash that shows you are not as worried about scratching your paint. You can pretty much force your way into lanes because your vehicle is immune to damage from other drivers and they don't want damage to their car so they just let you in lmao.

I have an old shitty car, if he scratches my side/door/..., I will get it repainted for free by his insurance, while his insurance gets a lot higer for the next few years.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by nateb2022 »

nateb2022 wrote: post #142
coffeebeqn wrote: post #83

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If they get deadlocked in a intersection or something and can’t make a decision I know I should go around them

I hope you'd do so cautiously, as you wouldn't want to hit something that caused it to stop in the first place.

Don't know why I'm being downvoted, there was an accident recently near where I live where a motorist hit a pedestrian in a roadway. He stopped his car and pulled into the opposite lane and turned on his flashers to prevent traffic from running over the guy who was lying in the road. An autonomous vehicle stopped, seeing the car in its lane, but a driver behind it pulled out and passed the vehicle unaware of the pedestrian, running over the injured guy who subsequently died from his injuries.

Re: Mercedes gets approval for turquoise automated driving lights

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Post by devilbunny »

throw__away7391 wrote: post #112
vic-traill wrote: post #19

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> some indication that a vehicle is driving autonomously is useful information to everyone around them I'm genuinely curious - what are you thinking when you say this? I don't know what I'd do with that information. It shouldn't make me drive differently - e.g. not be aggressive to see if I can invoke reaction(s) in the autonomous system, and I should already be driving w/ due care.

Humans are pretty good at pattern recognition. Any experienced human driver learns to predict the behavior of other drivers using subtle cues. With time I'm sure they'll all learn to use this information in many nuanced ways as well. Self driving cars likely will as well.

Sometimes extremely subtle. There was a highway exit I used to take all the time (and pass nearly as often) to get to where I was living. It has two exit-only lanes, both of which begin as onramps. I developed a very good sense for which drivers were going to realize that they were about to miss their exit (and move right) or be forced to exit (and move left). It didn’t last full-strength for much more than a year or so after I moved elsewhere in the same metro area.

I can’t clearly articulate what it was I was seeing, but doing it two or three times a day, I got very good at it.

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