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Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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Calling Jan 6th an insurrection is a joke. I Don't Like Trump - didn't vote for him. AND even though I am politically conservative for the most part, I don't care if Trump is on the ballot or not. He is an agent of Chaos. But if you are paying attention at all, you realize that Jan 6th was nothing more than a idiotic attempt at a protest. Insurrection? gimme a break smh ...what a laughable characterization. The liber…

> Insurrection? gimme a break smh ...what a laughable characterization. Did you read either the Colorado district court or supreme court's analysis of what defines an insurrection, and whether the events on January 6th qualify? Which part do you disagree with? > The political lawfare being waged against Trump is eventually going to get turned back around and used against liberals. Would you rather the technique Trump…

Attempting to argue the finer points of the flawed conclusions of the 4 liberal judges on this case is a bit much for this venue.

The easier answer is to point out that the case barely got a majority decision with 3 Liberal Colorado Supreme Court judges in dissent. Barely a majority decision! The inability to get unanimous results from 7 liberal judges in a state controlled by liberals speaks volumes about the legal foundation (or the lack thereof) in this case. I'll let those 3 liberal judges make the case for me.

As for the "Technique" that Trump used??? What Technique? Bloviating like a crybaby because he lost? Please. It is not obvious that Trump employed any technique or strategy at all just as it is not obvious that he attempted to invoke an insurrection and overthrow the government.

If a Democrat president behaved the way that Trump did, i would be equally offended by that behavior but i wouldn't fear that a similar sized and unarmed group of protestors was going to somehow take over the US Government by storming the Capital in the same manner as occurred on Jan 6th.

Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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Just because it was a poorly executed insurrection doesn’t make it any less of one. This was not a protest. It was an act of violence, complete with a death threat, and its goal was to forcibly prevent the democratic transfer of power.

Not only has Mr. Trump not been convicted of insurrection either by a jury of his peers or from the bench by a judge; he hasn’t even been charged with it!

Wikipedia:

> On December 19, 2022, the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack recommended criminal charges against Trump for obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and inciting or assisting an insurrection.

Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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Not only has Mr. Trump not been convicted of insurrection either by a jury of his peers or from the bench by a judge; he hasn’t even been charged with it!

Wikipedia: > On December 19, 2022, the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack recommended criminal charges against Trump for obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and inciting or assisting an insurrection.

The guy you're replying to is that type: Deeply lacking a sense of self empowerment and so desperate to derive it from the politicians who have him bamboozled that he's willing to deny objective reality to maintain them as his savior. This goes for both sides - you cannot talk logic or truth to these people. They were never interested in either.

Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Insurrection? gimme a break smh ...what a laughable characterization. Did you read either the Colorado district court or supreme court's analysis of what defines an insurrection, and whether the events on January 6th qualify? Which part do you disagree with? > The political lawfare being waged against Trump is eventually going to get turned back around and used against liberals. Would you rather the technique Trump…

Attempting to argue the finer points of the flawed conclusions of the 4 liberal judges on this case is a bit much for this venue. The easier answer is to point out that the case barely got a majority decision with 3 Liberal Colorado Supreme Court judges in dissent. Barely a majority decision! The inability to get unanimous results from 7 liberal judges in a state controlled by liberals speaks volumes about the legal…

> The easier answer is to point out that the case barely got a majority decision with 3 Liberal Colorado Supreme Court judges in dissent. Barely a majority decision!

This is why you should actually read the case, or at least read informed summaries. There are loads of questions which need to be "yes" in order for Trump to be taken off the ballot:

1. Was Jan 6 an insurrection?

2. Did Trump "engage" in it?

3. If he did engage in it, is the President even covered at all by the 14th amendment? That is, does he count as an "officer of the United States"?

4. If he is an "officer of the United States", is the oath Trump swore when he became President the kind of oath required by the 14th amendment?

5. Is the 14th amendment "self-executing" -- meaning, does it just happen, or is it like prohibition, where the amendment merely authorizes Congress to pass a law; but congress themselves have to actually pass it?

6. If he is ineligible, is striking him from the primary ballot the right thing to do, or should that be handled some other way?

7. If striking him from the primary ballot is the right thing to do, how is that supposed to be done? Should the Secretary of State take initiative to look into things? Do the voters of the state have standing to sue, as they have in this case?

8. If this is (a) right way to get him off the primary ballot, does the current "expedited" system, which was designed for simple things like "is this person 35 years or older", sufficient to give Trump "due process"? Should he have to actually be convicted of the crime of insurrection first, for instance? Or should the trial in this case be longer than the 7 days (5 days + 48 hours) mandated by the law?

All of the judges -- both the lower court and all the supreme court judges -- agree that the answer to #1 and #2 are "yes".

Re #3, the lower court judge basically said, "Seems like he should be, but in this case you want to err on the side of caution; so I'm saying no."

The dissenters, as I said, agreed that #1 and #2 are "yes"; they disagree on the technicalities around #8. One for instance, said that the only issue is that the Colorado law doesn't explicitly say that the "expedited process" for challenging someone's qualifications includes the 14th amendment. Another says that without a criminal conviction, due process hasn't been followed.

> As for the "Technique" that Trump used??? What Technique? Bloviating like a crybaby because he lost?

He incited a mob to break into the capitol and threaten violence on the members of the government attempting to fulfill duties prescribed by the Constitution, to force them to subvert the Constitutionally-valid election results. I'm told this exact technique has been successfully used frequently in history to subvert democratic institutions; which is exactly why he tried it. I don't think the outcome we got is nearly so foregone as you seem to think.

> i wouldn't fear that a similar sized and unarmed group of protestors was going to somehow take over the US Government by storming the Capital in the same manner as occurred on Jan 6th.

They certainly would if they'd been groomed with stories about widespread election fraud the way the 2020 protesters had.

If you don't want Trump as a dictator starting in 2024, I seriously suggest you do some more reading; starting with the rulings here, in particular the description of what Trump did, and why it counts as insurrection.

Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not only has Mr. Trump not been convicted of insurrection either by a jury of his peers or from the bench by a judge; he hasn’t even been charged with it!

Wikipedia: > On December 19, 2022, the United States House Select Committee on the January 6 Attack recommended criminal charges against Trump for obstructing an official proceeding, conspiracy to defraud the United States, and inciting or assisting an insurrection.

puhleeez. The house has devolved into pure partisan politics regardless of which side of the aisle you are on.

Re: Colorado Supreme Court disqualifies Trump from holding office

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Attempting to argue the finer points of the flawed conclusions of the 4 liberal judges on this case is a bit much for this venue. The easier answer is to point out that the case barely got a majority decision with 3 Liberal Colorado Supreme Court judges in dissent. Barely a majority decision! The inability to get unanimous results from 7 liberal judges in a state controlled by liberals speaks volumes about the legal…

> The easier answer is to point out that the case barely got a majority decision with 3 Liberal Colorado Supreme Court judges in dissent. Barely a majority decision! This is why you should actually read the case, or at least read informed summaries. There are loads of questions which need to be "yes" in order for Trump to be taken off the ballot: 1. Was Jan 6 an insurrection? 2. Did Trump "engage" in it? 3. If he did…

You make the legal argument for me with your quote... "(sic) One (Judge) for instance, said that the issue is that the Colorado law doesn't explicitly say that the "expedited process" for challenging someone's qualifications includes the 14th amendment. Another (Judge) says that without a criminal conviction, due process hasn't been followed."

Trump is not my guy and never was. So don't conflate my handing out a dose of legal reality with support for him.

Furthermore, don't confuse my refusal to go into the finer points of the legal argument on this thread with being uninformed on the topic.

Lastly, your hatred of the Big Orange Head has clouded your ability to think logically.

Jan 6th doesn't qualify as an insurrection. It was nothing more than a stupid attempt at protest.

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