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Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by npoc »

emmo wrote: post #165
cesarvarela wrote: post #159

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Can I ask why? Beyond the "crypto grift," a blockchain-based social network might offer some benefits: - permissionless - (no moderation) - means for auto solvency - (we are not the product) - interoperability - (multiple clients, forks, etc.) - privacy

You can't brush off the "crypto grift" though. That's the sticking point, and it's a very big one.

Nostr is extremely anti-crypto and pro-bitcoin. The trouble is that most people don't appreciate the distinction, they will in time but at this stage, without deeply researching and understanding the topic, most just include bitcoin in the snake pit of "cRyptO"

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by npoc »

acdha wrote: post #150
konart wrote: post #134

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But the beauty here is that you don't have to run a business or host a community project. You can have a local client that connects to N relays and supports a few NIPs. And if one of the relays goes down for whatever reason - you will still be able to get updates from the others. Including information about new relays.

Yes, that’s the dream but it hasn’t worked out for most usage because few people are going to spend their time and money hosting other people’s content. If you want it to stay up or have dependable service, you almost always have to pay for hosting.

That's where the fee model comes in - its a free market where relays can charge for access.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by cesarvarela »

wlll wrote: post #180
cesarvarela wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can I ask why? Beyond the "crypto grift," a blockchain-based social network might offer some benefits: - permissionless - (no moderation) - means for auto solvency - (we are not the product) - interoperability - (multiple clients, forks, etc.) - privacy

Sure. "no moderation", massive problem. I'm not hosting my (admittedly limited) content on a platform that lets my videos get posted in proximity to scams, CSAM etc. If I'm going to ask people to go to somewhere to see my videos (again, admittedly limited) then I'm not going to want them to be stumbling across that stuff. YouTube isn't getting it right, they're allowing bad shit (poor quality, scams, excessive shriek…

More precisely, I mean no "centralized moderation."

You can moderate at client level whatever you want.

There could be shared lists of non-acceptable users/content based on your world views (like AdBlock but for users).

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by NicoJuicy »

jgilias wrote: post #60
NicoJuicy wrote: post #55

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And with which ISP did you reach that "internet"?

One belonging to a bazillion different entities globally. One of a handful I can choose from locally.

Those are all corporate owned, no?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by apitman »

npoc wrote: post #189
poulpy123 wrote: post #188

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I had a look at some nostr apps, and I was extremely impressed by the speed and the fact that even decentralised it seems that all nodes are integrated (not like mastodon). But I can't get over the bitcoin scam everywhere

In what way is bitcoin a scam, and gold isn't?

Who said gold isn't a scam?

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by acdha »

npoc wrote: post #192
acdha wrote: post #150

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Yes, that’s the dream but it hasn’t worked out for most usage because few people are going to spend their time and money hosting other people’s content. If you want it to stay up or have dependable service, you almost always have to pay for hosting.

That's where the fee model comes in - its a free market where relays can charge for access.

And that’s the problem: once money is involved, there’s a lever for real-world authorities to use.

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by npoc »

apitman wrote: post #198
npoc wrote: post #196

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Do you think gold _is_ a scam?

I was mostly being contrary, but honestly I kind of do.

Gold itself? or the scams it enabled due to weaknesses in its monetary qualities?

For example, coin shaving (difficult to quantify without a scale), counterfeiting (tungsten wrapped gold), fiat central banking with zero reserve (due to poor portability + above) which transfers enormous wealth from entire populations and countries to the bankers?

Or maybe its scarcity? The amount of above-ground gold doubles every 50 years (which halves its value).

All weaknesses that bitcoin has solved BTW

Re: Flare, a video sharing site built on Nostr

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Post by npoc »

acdha wrote: post #197
npoc wrote: post #192

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That's where the fee model comes in - its a free market where relays can charge for access.

And that’s the problem: once money is involved, there’s a lever for real-world authorities to use.

Not with the lightning network. It's anonymous.
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