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Re: Suno AI

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Post by Wilduck » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 9:36 PM UTC

airstrike wrote: post #74

aqme28 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL but I believe that AI-derived works are not currently copyrightable.

also NAL I'm not sure that holds... there's no "anti-copyright". I can take the lyrics, the melody, and register something. How is suno.ai say I can't copyright it if they don't own it themselves?

We won't know for sure until there's actual law or court decisions to reference, but until then, it's worth looking at something like the Monkey Selfie copyright dispute[1] for guidance. The article references a 2014 opinion from the United States Copyright Office

> only works created by a human can be copyrighted under United States law, which excludes photographs and artwork created by animals or by machines without human intervention ... Because copyright law is limited to 'original intellectual conceptions of the author', the [copyright] office will refuse to register a claim if it determines that a human being did not create the work. The Office will not register works produced by nature, animals, or plants

The extension of this to AI would be saying basically that the copyright office simply wouldn't extend copyright of an AI created work to any party.

In the case of one of these songs, though, if you wrote your own lyrics, you would still have the copyright to those lyrics, if not the full piece of music generated from them.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_disput...

Re: Suno AI

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Post by elwell » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:00 PM UTC

joduplessis wrote: post #72

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Are synth sounds that emulate strings dehumanizing because they don't take years to master? Is the electric guitar fake? Is the arrangement of a six string guitar's strings in standard tuning 'yuck' because it impresses a certain chord voicing, taking away compositional decisions from the musician?

Re: Suno AI

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Post by cush » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

That UI is absolutely delightful

Re: Suno AI

#104

Post by entropyneur » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

Spiwux wrote: post #3

Cool tech demo, not even close to a level quality I'd consider paying for

It did pretty poorly on my queries and I'm still considering paying for it - just as form of entertainment.

Re: Suno AI

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Post by elwell » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

Banditoz wrote: post #56

ramesh31 wrote: post #51

This is the entire future of mass entertainment. A non-stop stream of endless content generated from the long tail of your digital advertising footprint. No more scrolling Netflix for hours, or waiting two years for a new season. Just an unending feed of everything you ever wanted to see or hear forever.

That's pretty dystopic. I don't want that.

Maybe the silver lining will be in how it accelerates one's discovery that fulfillment can't be found in the things of this world.

Re: Suno AI

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Post by labrador » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:06 PM UTC

AI music generation sucks and I expect it to suck for a long time. It's hard to make good music. Even a fake band from a mocumentary show is infinitly better (Bill Hader, Fred Armisen, Documentary Now)

The Blue Jean Committee "Catalina Breeze"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrHCNo2I3M

Re: Suno AI

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Post by cush » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:08 PM UTC

joduplessis wrote: post #72

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This is a perfectly valid opinion

Re: Suno AI

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Post by ShamelessC » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:14 PM UTC

labrador wrote: post #106

AI music generation sucks and I expect it to suck for a long time. It's hard to make good music. Even a fake band from a mocumentary show is infinitly better (Bill Hader, Fred Armisen, Documentary Now) The Blue Jean Committee "Catalina Breeze" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrHCNo2I3M

I don’t think your analogy to the band from Documentary Now (clearly music made by a very much real band, albeit satire) holds up as well as you think it does.

Re: Suno AI

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:19 PM UTC

labrador wrote: post #106

AI music generation sucks and I expect it to suck for a long time. It's hard to make good music. Even a fake band from a mocumentary show is infinitly better (Bill Hader, Fred Armisen, Documentary Now) The Blue Jean Committee "Catalina Breeze" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfrHCNo2I3M

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Re: Suno AI

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Post by vidarh » Sat, Dec 23, 2023, 10:21 PM UTC

adroniser wrote: post #10

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the difference? The medium used to create it? "Making music" = soft tissues in our brain VS "generating music" = hard transistors in a chip?

You don't have much control over what is being generated. And if you did want to have fine control then what would be the difference compared to just dicking around on a synthesizer? A lot of the enjoyment of music comes from connecting emotionally with the artist. The artist had something to say based on their experience of life and adversity. You relate maybe because you've been there too. After all, you and the ar…

A whole lot of the songs people like have lyrics and music written by the someone entirely different than the artists people connect with the song.

A lot of the time people don't even know the name of them.