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Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by loeg »

kstrauser wrote: post #3

I don't use cannabis. If it were to go away tomorrow, my life wouldn't change one bit. I am absolutely thrilled with this blanket pardon. Rephrasing the statement slightly, like: > I am pardoning additional individuals who may continue to experience the unnecessary collateral consequences of a conviction for simple possession of beer, attempted simple possession of beer, or use of beer. and it sounds utterly obvious,…

Re: alcohol, there are people with Minor in Possession charges on their records. It would be good to expunge those, too.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by minerva23 »

zdragnar wrote: post #6

I don't disagree that this is good for those involved or affected. However, nothing stops the same from happening to someone tomorrow. The past several administrations have been relying too heavily on executive fiat for the optics. The DEA needs to reschedule it. Anything else is at best a band-aid, if not simple lip service to buy votes.

I try to look at this pardon as a quick, easy, and obvious way he can use his limited power to improve people's lives.

Getting the DEA to reschedule it would involve more time and more influence than direct power.

That said, I think he should do both, AND that issuing this pardon may double as a good way of influencing the DEA.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by xzel »

jgalt212 wrote: post #158
kstrauser wrote: post #3

I don't use cannabis. If it were to go away tomorrow, my life wouldn't change one bit. I am absolutely thrilled with this blanket pardon. Rephrasing the statement slightly, like: > I am pardoning additional individuals who may continue to experience the unnecessary collateral consequences of a conviction for simple possession of beer, attempted simple possession of beer, or use of beer. and it sounds utterly obvious,…

> that's caused far more societal harm than cannabis ever did. Yes, I think this indisputably so. However, the more widely cannabis is used the greater the harms seem to be.

You're right my local bodega has been running out of chips and cookies at an alarming rate. Things are getting dangerous out there.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by cozzyd »

drevil-v2 wrote: post #98

At university two of my friends went down a dark road with Marijuana use. One destroyed his very bright future - went from a top student to a dropout. The other one had severe mental psychosis episodes, the last one being where he physically threatened other students with a knife and was arrested and subsequently medically repatriated back to his home country - his parents were financially ruined by the cost of getti…

Yes, while with alcohol, nobody has ruined their future or physically threatened others.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by qingcharles »

hx8 wrote: post #114
qingcharles wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a fake lawyer, I would also love to know if this applies to military convictions. What other places outside of DC does federal law apply to? (without the need for it to be interstate or some other such clause that is normally required for federal statutes to apply) Can the president pardon crimes on reservations?

I am also a fake lawyer. Even in legal states, you can get a simple possession charge on federal land [0]. [0] https://www.fs.usda.gov/detail/olympic/news-events/?cid=STEL...

Thank you. I think this rule applies inside federal buildings on state land too?

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by fsckboy »

danielbln wrote: post #91
fsckboy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yes, drugs come with risks. You know what else triggers latent psychosis? Alcohol. Prohibition is not the answer to this problem, education, harm reduction, the freedom to seek information and help without prosecution, is.

> You know what else triggers latent psychosis? Alcohol.

from the link I posted: "The risk for developing schizophrenia spectrum disorders is greatest with cannabis, although other substances such as amphetamines, hallucinogens, opioids, and sedatives also increase risk"

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by mcfedr »

minerva23 wrote: post #172
zdragnar wrote: post #6

I don't disagree that this is good for those involved or affected. However, nothing stops the same from happening to someone tomorrow. The past several administrations have been relying too heavily on executive fiat for the optics. The DEA needs to reschedule it. Anything else is at best a band-aid, if not simple lip service to buy votes.

I try to look at this pardon as a quick, easy, and obvious way he can use his limited power to improve people's lives. Getting the DEA to reschedule it would involve more time and more influence than direct power. That said, I think he should do both, AND that issuing this pardon may double as a good way of influencing the DEA.

Does he control the federal agency? He would appoint the leadership

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by DANmode »

astrange wrote: post #123
bongodongobob wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it's fact, not conspiracy theory. "You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying? We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, an…

The part about "enriching the military industrial complex" is certainly a conspiracy theory though. The MIC has only ever shrunk in importance in the American economy, and giving people their used products is like the opposite of enriching them.

Normalizing the use of the equipment guarantees additional future domestic purchases, subscriptions, and other support revenue.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by fsckboy »

CPLX wrote: post #89
fsckboy wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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How effective were the laws against it?

difficult to measure for sure, like the effectiveness of many criminal statues. How effective are the various restrictions on tobacco, and are you passionate and principled that we should lift all those too, because the side effects are less important than personal freedom?

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by mcfedr »

kredd wrote: post #16
theklr wrote: post #14

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Rumor is it’s a done deal and they’re just weaponizing it for the election. I despise this is where we’ve come in political theater.

Would the House ever pass it as it would give a huge win to one side? A bit unaware in terms of US politics, but up here since legalization, life is exactly as it was before — people who smoked just continue to smoke but legally, people who don’t… don’t.

The house is incapable of passing the most basic of funding for national security to let Ukraine win the war, let alone something even slightly controversial
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