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Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by tessierashpool »

kstrauser wrote: post #3

I don't use cannabis. If it were to go away tomorrow, my life wouldn't change one bit. I am absolutely thrilled with this blanket pardon. Rephrasing the statement slightly, like: > I am pardoning additional individuals who may continue to experience the unnecessary collateral consequences of a conviction for simple possession of beer, attempted simple possession of beer, or use of beer. and it sounds utterly obvious,…

100%. The War on Drugs was always in contradiction of the spirit of the 21st Amendment, which ended Prohibition.

It needs to be formally acknowledged as such, and further as fundamentally unconstitutional, but these kinds of victories take time. At least that so-called "War" is destroying fewer lives now.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by theklr »

zdragnar wrote: post #6

I don't disagree that this is good for those involved or affected. However, nothing stops the same from happening to someone tomorrow. The past several administrations have been relying too heavily on executive fiat for the optics. The DEA needs to reschedule it. Anything else is at best a band-aid, if not simple lip service to buy votes.

Rumor is it’s a done deal and they’re just weaponizing it for the election. I despise this is where we’ve come in political theater.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by kredd »

theklr wrote: post #14
zdragnar wrote: post #6

I don't disagree that this is good for those involved or affected. However, nothing stops the same from happening to someone tomorrow. The past several administrations have been relying too heavily on executive fiat for the optics. The DEA needs to reschedule it. Anything else is at best a band-aid, if not simple lip service to buy votes.

Rumor is it’s a done deal and they’re just weaponizing it for the election. I despise this is where we’ve come in political theater.

Would the House ever pass it as it would give a huge win to one side? A bit unaware in terms of US politics, but up here since legalization, life is exactly as it was before — people who smoked just continue to smoke but legally, people who don’t… don’t.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by mschuster91 »

atticora wrote: post #4

That's a good start Joe, keep going. The scope of the president's pardon power is breathtaking. ([T]he power [of clemency] flows from the Constitution alone, not from any legislative enactments, and . . . it cannot be modified, abridged, or diminished by the Congress.). -- -20Garland, 71 U.S. at 380; see also Schick v. Reed, 419 U.S. 256, 266 (1974) If Trump wins he apparently can pardon everyone with a federal Jan6…

> If Trump wins he apparently can pardon everyone with a federal Jan6 conviction at will, with no review and as a second term president, no voters to answer to.

Add on top of that the insider allegations of Trump selling pardons for 2 million $ apiece [1], and the list of ... sometimes really questionable pardons that were issued [2], and it becomes a real issue of national security.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/giuliani-accu...

[2] https://edition.cnn.com/2021/01/20/politics/trump-pardons-co...

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by u32480932048 »

tessierashpool wrote: post #12
masfuerte wrote: post #10

It seems weird that it excludes foreign nationals who are no longer resident. Why not just pardon everyone who was convicted?

the law is always complicated

"because reasons" isn't actually a good justification for a system that's broken and corrupted beyond all repair

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by notatoad »

tptacek wrote: post #2

Reminder that Biden can only pardon federal crimes, and that very few people have federal convictions for simple possession.

>very few people

i know it's relatively few people compared to the number of people with state charges, but the reporting on this says it's thousands of people. which, in absolute terms, is a lot of people.

Re: Granting pardon for the offense of simple possession of or use of marijuana

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Post by aaomidi »

tessierashpool wrote: post #11
kstrauser wrote: post #3

I don't use cannabis. If it were to go away tomorrow, my life wouldn't change one bit. I am absolutely thrilled with this blanket pardon. Rephrasing the statement slightly, like: > I am pardoning additional individuals who may continue to experience the unnecessary collateral consequences of a conviction for simple possession of beer, attempted simple possession of beer, or use of beer. and it sounds utterly obvious,…

100%. The War on Drugs was always in contradiction of the spirit of the 21st Amendment, which ended Prohibition. It needs to be formally acknowledged as such, and further as fundamentally unconstitutional, but these kinds of victories take time. At least that so-called "War" is destroying fewer lives now.

And the 13th amendment, kinda.

It goes against the spirit of it but not the word of it.

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